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From: Matt Mackall <mpm@selenic.com>
To: Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>
Cc: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [patch 0/8] slub: Fallback to order 0 and variable order slab support
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 13:01:26 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080304190126.GM10223@waste.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080304122008.GB19606@csn.ul.ie>

On Tue, Mar 04, 2008 at 12:20:08PM +0000, Mel Gorman wrote:
> On (28/02/08 20:48), Christoph Lameter didst pronounce:
> > This is the patchset that was posted two weeks ago modified according
> > to the feedback that Pekka gave. I would like to put these patches
> > into mm.
> > 
> 
> I haven't reviewed the patches properly but I put them through a quick test
> against 2.6.25-rc3 to see what the performnace was like and the superpage
> allocation success rates were like. Performance wise, it looked like
> 
> 				Loss	to	Gain
> Kernbench Elapsed time		 -0.64%		0.32%
> Kernbench Total time		 -0.61%		0.48%
> Hackbench sockets-12 clients	 -2.95%		5.13%
> Hackbench pipes-12 clients	-16.95%		9.27%
> TBench 4 clients		 -1.98%		8.2%
> DBench 4 clients (ext2)		 -5.9%		7.99%
> 
> So, running with the high orders is not a clear-cut win to my eyes. What
> did you test to show that it was a general win justifying a high-order by
> default? From looking through, tbench seems to be the only obvious one to
> gain but the rest, it is not clear at all. I'll try give sysbench a spin
> later to see if it is clear-cut.
> 
> However, in *all* cases, superpage allocations were less successful and in
> some cases it was severely regressed (one machine went from 81% success rate
> to 36%). Sufficient statistics are not gathered to see why this happened
> in retrospect but my suspicion would be that high-order RECLAIMABLE and
> UNMOVABLE slub allocations routinely fall back to the less fragmented
> MOVABLE pageblocks with these patches - something that is normally a very
> rare event. This change in assumption hurts fragmentation avoidance and
> chances are the long-term behaviour of these patches is not great.
> 
> If this guess is correct, using a high-order size by default is a bad plan
> and it should only be set when it is known that the target workload benefits
> and superpage allocations are not a concern. Alternative, set high-order by
> default only for a limited number of caches that are RECLAIMABLE (or better
> yet ones we know can be directly reclaimed with the slub-defrag patches).
> 
> As it is, this is painful from a fragmentation perspective and the
> performance win is not clear-cut.

Thanks for looking at this, Mel. Could you try testing.. umm...
slub_max_order=1? That's never going to get us more than one more
object per slab, but if we can go from 1 per page to 1.5 per page, it
might be worth it. Task structs are roughly in that size domain.

-- 
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-03-04 19:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20080229044803.482012397@sgi.com>
     [not found] ` <20080229044820.044485187@sgi.com>
2008-02-29  8:13   ` [patch 7/8] slub: Make the order configurable for each slab cache Pekka Enberg
2008-02-29 19:37     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-01  9:47       ` Pekka Enberg
2008-03-03 17:49         ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-03 22:56           ` Pekka Enberg
2008-03-03 23:36             ` Christoph Lameter
     [not found] ` <20080229044820.298792748@sgi.com>
2008-02-29  8:13   ` [patch 8/8] slub: Simplify any_slab_object checks Pekka Enberg
     [not found] ` <20080229044819.800974712@sgi.com>
2008-02-29  8:19   ` [patch 6/8] slub: Adjust order boundaries and minimum objects per slab Pekka Enberg
2008-02-29 19:41     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-01  9:58       ` Pekka J Enberg
2008-03-03 17:52         ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-03 21:34           ` Matt Mackall
2008-03-03 22:36             ` Christoph Lameter
     [not found] ` <20080229044818.999367120@sgi.com>
2008-02-29  8:59   ` [patch 3/8] slub: Update statistics handling for variable order slabs Pekka Enberg
2008-02-29 19:43     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-01 10:29   ` Pekka Enberg
2008-03-04 12:20 ` [patch 0/8] slub: Fallback to order 0 and variable order slab support Mel Gorman
2008-03-04 18:53   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-05 18:28     ` Mel Gorman
2008-03-05 18:52       ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-06 22:04         ` Mel Gorman
2008-03-06 22:18           ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-07 12:17             ` Mel Gorman
2008-03-07 19:50               ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-04 19:01   ` Matt Mackall [this message]
2008-03-05  0:04     ` Christoph Lameter

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