From: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@qumranet.com>
To: Jack Steiner <steiner@sgi.com>
Cc: Robin Holt <holt@sgi.com>, Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>,
Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>,
Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
kvm-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
Kanoj Sarcar <kanojsarcar@yahoo.com>,
Roland Dreier <rdreier@cisco.com>,
Steve Wise <swise@opengridcomputing.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Avi Kivity <avi@qumranet.com>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, general@lists.openfabrics.org,
Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com>,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 01 of 12] Core of mmu notifiers
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:37:13 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080423163713.GC24536@duo.random> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080423002848.GA32618@sgi.com>
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 07:28:49PM -0500, Jack Steiner wrote:
> The GRU driver unregisters the notifier when all GRU mappings
> are unmapped. I could make it work either way - either with or without
> an unregister function. However, unregister is the most logical
> action to take when all mappings have been destroyed.
This is true for KVM as well, unregister would be the most logical
action to take when the kvm device is closed and the vm
destroyed. However we can't implement mm_lock in O(N*log(N)) without
triggering RAM allocations. And the size of those ram allocations are
unknown at the time unregister runs (they also depend on the
max_nr_vmas sysctl). So on a second thought not even passing the array
from register to unregister would solve it (unless we allocate
max_nr_vmas and we block the sysctl to alter max_nr_vmas if not all
unregister run yet).That's clearly unacceptable.
The only way to avoid failing because of vmalloc space shortage or
oom, would be to provide a O(N*N) fallback. But one that can't be
interrupted by sigkill! sigkill interruption was ok in #v12 because we
didn't rely on mmu_notifier_unregister to succeed. So it avoided any
DoS but it still can't provide any reliable unregister.
So in the end unregistering with kill -9 leading to ->release in O(1)
sounds safer solution for the long term. You can't loop if unregister
fails and pretend your module not to have deadlocks.
Yes, waiting ->release add up a bit of complexity but I think it worth
it, and there weren't genial ideas on how to avoid O(N*N) complexity
and allocations too in mmu_notifier_unregister yet. Until that genius
idea will materialize we'll stick with ->release in O(1) as the only
safe unregister so we guarantee the admin will be in control of his
hardware in O(1) with kill -9 no matter if /dev/kvm and /dev/gru are
owned by sillyuser.
I'm afraid if you don't want to worst-case unregister with ->release
you need to have a better idea than my mm_lock and personally I can't
see any other way than mm_lock to ensure not to miss range_begin...
All the above is in 2.6.27 context (for 2.6.26 ->release is the way,
even if the genius idea would materialize).
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Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-04-22 13:51 [PATCH 00 of 12] mmu notifier #v13 Andrea Arcangeli
2008-04-22 13:51 ` [PATCH 01 of 12] Core of mmu notifiers Andrea Arcangeli
2008-04-22 14:56 ` Eric Dumazet
2008-04-22 15:15 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-04-22 15:24 ` Avi Kivity
2008-04-22 15:37 ` Eric Dumazet
2008-04-22 16:46 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-04-22 20:19 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-04-22 20:31 ` Robin Holt
2008-04-22 22:35 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-04-22 23:07 ` Robin Holt
2008-04-23 0:28 ` Jack Steiner
2008-04-23 16:37 ` Andrea Arcangeli [this message]
2008-04-23 18:19 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-04-23 18:25 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-04-23 22:19 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-04-24 6:49 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-04-24 9:51 ` Robin Holt
2008-04-24 15:39 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-04-24 17:41 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-04-26 13:17 ` Robin Holt
2008-04-26 14:04 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-04-27 12:27 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-04-28 20:34 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-04-29 0:10 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-04-29 1:28 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-04-29 15:30 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-04-29 15:50 ` Robin Holt
2008-04-29 16:03 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-05-07 15:00 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-04-29 10:49 ` Hugh Dickins
2008-04-29 13:32 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-04-23 13:36 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-04-23 14:47 ` Robin Holt
2008-04-23 15:59 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-04-23 18:09 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-04-23 18:19 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-04-23 18:27 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-04-23 18:37 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-04-23 18:46 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-04-22 23:20 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-04-23 16:26 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-04-23 17:24 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-04-23 18:21 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-04-23 18:34 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-04-23 18:15 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-04-23 17:09 ` Jack Steiner
2008-04-23 17:45 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-04-22 13:51 ` [PATCH 02 of 12] Fix ia64 compilation failure because of common code include bug Andrea Arcangeli
2008-04-22 20:22 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-04-22 22:43 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-04-22 23:07 ` Robin Holt
2008-04-22 13:51 ` [PATCH 03 of 12] get_task_mm should not succeed if mmput() is running and has reduced Andrea Arcangeli
2008-04-22 20:23 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-04-22 22:37 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-04-22 23:13 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-04-22 13:51 ` [PATCH 04 of 12] Moves all mmu notifier methods outside the PT lock (first and not last Andrea Arcangeli
2008-04-22 20:24 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-04-22 22:40 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-04-22 23:14 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-04-23 13:44 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-04-23 15:45 ` Robin Holt
2008-04-23 16:15 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-04-23 19:55 ` Robin Holt
2008-04-23 21:05 ` Avi Kivity
2008-04-23 18:02 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-04-23 18:16 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-04-22 13:51 ` [PATCH 05 of 12] Move the tlb flushing into free_pgtables. The conversion of the locks Andrea Arcangeli
2008-04-22 20:25 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-04-22 13:51 ` [PATCH 06 of 12] Move the tlb flushing inside of unmap vmas. This saves us from passing Andrea Arcangeli
2008-04-22 13:51 ` [PATCH 07 of 12] Add a function to rw_semaphores to check if there are any processes Andrea Arcangeli
2008-04-22 13:51 ` [PATCH 08 of 12] The conversion to a rwsem allows notifier callbacks during rmap traversal Andrea Arcangeli
2008-04-22 13:51 ` [PATCH 09 of 12] Convert the anon_vma spinlock to a rw semaphore. This allows concurrent Andrea Arcangeli
2008-04-22 13:51 ` [PATCH 10 of 12] Convert mm_lock to use semaphores after i_mmap_lock and anon_vma_lock Andrea Arcangeli
2008-04-22 20:26 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-04-22 22:54 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-04-22 23:19 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-04-22 13:51 ` [PATCH 11 of 12] XPMEM would have used sys_madvise() except that madvise_dontneed() Andrea Arcangeli
2008-04-22 13:51 ` [PATCH 12 of 12] This patch adds a lock ordering rule to avoid a potential deadlock when Andrea Arcangeli
2008-04-22 18:22 ` [PATCH 00 of 12] mmu notifier #v13 Robin Holt
2008-04-22 18:43 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-04-22 19:42 ` Robin Holt
2008-04-22 20:30 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-04-23 13:33 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-04-22 20:28 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-04-23 0:31 ` Jack Steiner
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