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From: Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>
To: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com>,
	linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
	Linux Memory Management List <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Paul McKenney <paulmck@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [patch 1/2] read_barrier_depends fixlets
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 10:05:15 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080513080515.GC19870@wotan.suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <15818.1210087753@redhat.com>

On Tue, May 06, 2008 at 04:29:13PM +0100, David Howells wrote:
> Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de> wrote:
> 
> > While considering the impact of read_barrier_depends, it occurred to
> > me that it should really be really a noop for the compiler.
> 
> If you're defining it so, then you need to adjust memory-barriers.txt too.

_I'm_ not defining it so, it has always been defined so (code speaks
louder than words). So this document has always been wrong.i

> 
> 	========================
> 	EXPLICIT KERNEL BARRIERS
> 	========================
> 	...
> 	CPU MEMORY BARRIERS
> 	-------------------
> 
> 	The Linux kernel has eight basic CPU memory barriers:
> 
> 		TYPE		MANDATORY		SMP CONDITIONAL
> 		===============	=======================	===========================
> 		GENERAL		mb()			smp_mb()
> 		WRITE		wmb()			smp_wmb()
> 		READ		rmb()			smp_rmb()
> 		DATA DEPENDENCY	read_barrier_depends()	smp_read_barrier_depends()
> 
> 
> 	All CPU memory barriers unconditionally imply compiler barriers.
> 
> That last line needs modification, perhaps to say:
> 
> 	General, read and write memory barriers unconditionally imply general
> 	compiler barriers; data dependency barriers, however, imply a barrier
> 	only for the specific access being performed due to the fact that the
> 	instructions must be performed in a specific order.
> 
> David

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      parent reply	other threads:[~2008-05-13  8:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-05-05 11:20 [patch 1/2] read_barrier_depends fixlets Nick Piggin
2008-05-05 12:12 ` [patch 2/2] fix SMP data race in pagetable setup vs walking Nick Piggin
2008-05-05 14:35   ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-05-06  9:38     ` Nick Piggin
2008-05-06 13:32       ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-05-13  7:55         ` Nick Piggin
2008-05-13 13:26           ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-05-05 15:32   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-05 16:37     ` Hugh Dickins
2008-05-06  9:51     ` Nick Piggin
2008-05-06 14:53       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-06 19:11         ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-05-14  4:27           ` Nick Piggin
2008-05-13  8:01         ` Nick Piggin
2008-05-13 15:45           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-14  0:34             ` Nick Piggin
2008-05-14  0:55               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-14  1:18                 ` Nick Piggin
2008-05-14  4:35                 ` [patch 1/2] read_barrier_depends arch fixlets Nick Piggin
2008-05-14  4:37                   ` [patch 2/2] fix SMP data race in pagetable setup vs walking Nick Piggin
2008-05-14 13:26                   ` [patch 1/2] read_barrier_depends arch fixlets Paul E. McKenney
2008-05-05 16:57   ` [patch 2/2] fix SMP data race in pagetable setup vs walking Hugh Dickins
2008-05-06  9:52     ` Nick Piggin
2008-05-06  7:08   ` David Miller, Nick Piggin
2008-05-06  9:56     ` Nick Piggin
2008-05-05 14:27 ` [patch 1/2] read_barrier_depends fixlets Paul E. McKenney
2008-05-06  9:01   ` Nick Piggin
2008-05-06 14:06     ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-05-06 15:29 ` David Howells
2008-05-06 19:09   ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-05-13  8:05   ` Nick Piggin [this message]

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