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From: Balbir Singh <balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Paul Menage <menage@google.com>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, Sudhir Kumar <skumar@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	YAMAMOTO Takashi <yamamoto@valinux.co.jp>,
	lizf@cn.fujitsu.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Pavel Emelianov <xemul@openvz.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
Subject: Re: [-mm][PATCH 4/4] Add memrlimit controller accounting and control (v4)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 13:55:53 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080515082553.GK31115@balbir.in.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6599ad830805150039u76c9002cg6c873fd71e687a69@mail.gmail.com>

* Paul Menage <menage@google.com> [2008-05-15 00:39:45]:

> On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 12:03 AM, Balbir Singh
> <balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
> >
> >  I want to focus on this conclusion/assertion, since it takes care of
> >  most of the locking related discussion above, unless I missed
> >  something.
> >
> >  My concern with using mmap_sem, is that
> >
> >  1. It's highly contended (every page fault, vma change, etc)
> 
> But the only *new* cases of taking the mmap_sem that this would
> introduce would be:
> 
> - on a failed vm limit charge

Why a failed charge? Aren't we talking of moving all charge/uncharge
under mmap_sem?

> - when a task exit/exec causes an mm ownership change

Yes, in the mm_owner_changed callbacks

> - when a task moves between two cgroups in the memrlimit hierarchy.
> 

Yes, this would nest cgroup_mutex and mmap_sem. Not sure if that would
be a bad side-effect.

> All of these should be rare events, so I don't think the additional
> contention is a worry.

We do make several of all charge calls under the mmap_sem, but not
all of them. So the additional contention might not be all that bad.

> 
> >  2. It's going to make the locking hierarchy deeper and complex
> 
> Yes, potentially. But if the upside of that is that we eliminate a
> lock/unlock on a shared lock on every mmap/munmap call, it might well
> be worth it.
> 
> >  3. It's not appropriate to call all the accounting callbacks with
> >    the mmap_sem() held, since the undo operations _can get_ complicated
> >    at the caller.
> >
> 
> Can you give an example?

Some paths of the uncharge are not under mmap_sem. Undoing the
operation there seemed complex.

> 
> >  I would prefer introducing a new lock, so that other subsystems are
> >  not affected.
> >
> 
> For getting the first cut of the memrlimit controller working this may
> well make sense. But it would be nice to avoid it longer-term.

OK, so here's what I am going to try and do

Refactor the code to try and use mmap_sem and see what I come up
with. Basically use mmap_sem for all charge/uncharge operations as
well use mmap_sem in read_mode in the move_task() and
mm_owner_changed() callbacks. That should take care of the race
conditions discussed, unless I missed something.
Try and instrument insert_vm_struct() for charge/uncharge

-- 
	Warm Regards,
	Balbir Singh
	Linux Technology Center
	IBM, ISTL

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  reply	other threads:[~2008-05-15  8:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-05-14 13:09 [-mm][PATCH 0/4] Add memrlimit controller (v4) Balbir Singh
2008-05-14 13:09 ` [-mm][PATCH 1/4] Add memrlimit controller documentation (v4) Balbir Singh
2008-05-15  1:20   ` Li Zefan
2008-05-15 18:22   ` Avi Kivity
2008-05-15 18:39     ` Balbir Singh
2008-05-14 13:09 ` [-mm][PATCH 2/4] Setup the memrlimit controller (v4) Balbir Singh
2008-05-14 13:29   ` Pavel Emelyanov
2008-05-14 13:09 ` [-mm][PATCH 3/4] cgroup mm owner callback changes to add task info (v4) Balbir Singh
2008-05-14 13:09 ` [-mm][PATCH 4/4] Add memrlimit controller accounting and control (v4) Balbir Singh
2008-05-14 13:25   ` Balbir Singh
2008-05-15  2:25     ` Paul Menage
2008-05-15  6:17       ` Balbir Singh
2008-05-15  6:55         ` Paul Menage
2008-05-15  7:03           ` Balbir Singh
2008-05-15  7:39             ` Paul Menage
2008-05-15  8:25               ` Balbir Singh [this message]
2008-05-15 15:28                 ` Paul Menage
2008-05-15 17:01                   ` Balbir Singh
2008-05-17 20:15                   ` Balbir Singh
2008-05-17 20:17                     ` Balbir Singh
2008-05-14 13:32   ` Pavel Emelyanov
2008-05-14 19:39     ` Balbir Singh
2008-09-18 20:54   ` Andrew Morton
2008-09-18 23:55     ` Balbir Singh
2008-09-19  6:38     ` Balbir Singh
2008-09-19 20:14       ` Andrew Morton
2008-09-19 21:28         ` Balbir Singh

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