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From: Alexey Dobriyan <adobriyan@gmail.com>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Dave Hansen <dave@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Matt Mackall <mpm@selenic.com>,
	containers@lists.linux-foundation.org, hpa@zytor.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, linux-api@vger.kernel.org,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org, tglx@linutronix.de,
	Pavel Emelyanov <xemul@openvz.org>
Subject: Re: What can OpenVZ do?
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 14:32:48 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090213113248.GA15275@x200.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090213102732.GB4608@elte.hu>

On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 11:27:32AM +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> 
> * Dave Hansen <dave@linux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
> 
> > > If so, perhaps that can be used as a guide.  Will the planned feature
> > > have a similar design?  If not, how will it differ?  To what extent can
> > > we use that implementation as a tool for understanding what this new
> > > implementation will look like?
> > 
> > Yes, we can certainly use it as a guide.  However, there are some
> > barriers to being able to do that:
> > 
> > dave@nimitz:~/kernels/linux-2.6-openvz$ git diff v2.6.27.10... | diffstat | tail -1
> >  628 files changed, 59597 insertions(+), 2927 deletions(-)
> > dave@nimitz:~/kernels/linux-2.6-openvz$ git diff v2.6.27.10... | wc 
> >   84887  290855 2308745
> > 
> > Unfortunately, the git tree doesn't have that great of a history.  It
> > appears that the forward-ports are just applications of huge single
> > patches which then get committed into git.  This tree has also
> > historically contained a bunch of stuff not directly related to
> > checkpoint/restart like resource management.
> 
> Really, OpenVZ/Virtuozzo does not seem to have enough incentive to merge
> upstream, they only seem to forward-port, keep their tree messy, do minimal
> work to reduce the cross section to the rest of the kernel (so that they can
> manage the forward ports) but otherwise are happy with their carved-out
> niche market. [which niche is also spiced with some proprietary add-ons,
> last i checked, not exactly the contribution environment that breeds a
> healthy flow of patches towards the upstream kernel.]

Oh, cut the crap!

> Merging checkpoints instead might give them the incentive to get
> their act together.

Knowing how much time it takes to beat CPT back into usable shape every time
big kernel rebase is done, OpenVZ/Virtuozzo have every single damn incentive
to have CPT mainlined.

If someone is afraid of long config options, there are always CONFIG_CPT and
CONFIG_CR available.

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  reply	other threads:[~2009-02-13 11:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 121+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-01-27 17:07 [RFC v13][PATCH 00/14] Kernel based checkpoint/restart Oren Laadan
2009-01-27 17:07 ` [RFC v13][PATCH 01/14] Create syscalls: sys_checkpoint, sys_restart Oren Laadan
2009-01-27 17:20   ` Randy Dunlap
2009-01-27 17:08 ` [RFC v13][PATCH 02/14] Checkpoint/restart: initial documentation Oren Laadan
2009-01-27 17:08 ` [RFC v13][PATCH 03/14] Make file_pos_read/write() public Oren Laadan
2009-01-27 17:08 ` [RFC v13][PATCH 04/14] General infrastructure for checkpoint restart Oren Laadan
2009-01-27 17:08 ` [RFC v13][PATCH 05/14] x86 support for checkpoint/restart Oren Laadan
2009-02-24  7:47   ` Nathan Lynch
2009-02-24 16:06     ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-18  7:21     ` Oren Laadan
2009-01-27 17:08 ` [RFC v13][PATCH 06/14] Dump memory address space Oren Laadan
2009-01-27 17:08 ` [RFC v13][PATCH 07/14] Restore " Oren Laadan
2009-01-27 17:08 ` [RFC v13][PATCH 08/14] Infrastructure for shared objects Oren Laadan
2009-01-27 17:08 ` [RFC v13][PATCH 09/14] Dump open file descriptors Oren Laadan
2009-01-27 17:08 ` [RFC v13][PATCH 10/14] Restore open file descriprtors Oren Laadan
2009-01-27 17:08 ` [RFC v13][PATCH 11/14] External checkpoint of a task other than ourself Oren Laadan
2009-01-27 17:08 ` [RFC v13][PATCH 12/14] Track in-kernel when we expect checkpoint/restart to work Oren Laadan
2009-01-27 17:08 ` [RFC v13][PATCH 13/14] Checkpoint multiple processes Oren Laadan
2009-01-27 17:08 ` [RFC v13][PATCH 14/14] Restart " Oren Laadan
2009-02-10 17:05 ` [RFC v13][PATCH 00/14] Kernel based checkpoint/restart Dave Hansen
2009-02-11 22:14   ` Andrew Morton
2009-02-12  9:17     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-12 18:11       ` Dave Hansen
2009-02-12 20:48         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-02-13 10:20         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-12 18:11     ` Dave Hansen
2009-02-12 19:30       ` Matt Mackall
2009-02-12 19:42         ` Andrew Morton
2009-02-12 21:51           ` What can OpenVZ do? Dave Hansen
2009-02-12 22:10             ` Andrew Morton
2009-02-12 23:04               ` How much of a mess does OpenVZ make? ;) Was: " Dave Hansen
2009-02-26 15:57                 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-03-10 21:53                   ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-03-10 23:28                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-11  8:26                     ` Cedric Le Goater
2009-03-12 14:53                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-12 21:01                         ` Greg Kurz
2009-03-12 21:21                           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-13  4:29                             ` Ying Han
2009-03-13  5:34                               ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
2009-03-13  6:19                                 ` Ying Han
2009-03-13 17:27                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-03-13 19:02                                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-13 19:35                                   ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-03-13 21:01                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-03-13 21:51                                       ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-13 22:15                                         ` Oren Laadan
2009-03-14  0:27                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-03-14  8:12                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-03-16 22:33                                               ` Kevin Fox
2009-03-19 21:19                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-03-14  0:20                                       ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-03-14  8:25                                         ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]                                           ` <20090314082532.GB16436-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-14 17:11                                             ` Joseph Ruscio
2009-03-16  6:01                                           ` Oren Laadan
2009-03-13 20:48                                   ` Mike Waychison
2009-03-13 22:35                                     ` Oren Laadan
2009-03-18 18:54                                       ` Mike Waychison
2009-03-18 19:04                                         ` Oren Laadan
2009-03-13 15:27                               ` Cedric Le Goater
2009-03-13 17:11                                 ` Greg Kurz
2009-03-13 17:37                               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-13 15:47                         ` Cedric Le Goater
2009-03-13 16:35                           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-13 16:53                             ` Cedric Le Goater
2009-02-26 16:27                 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-02-26 17:33                   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-26 18:30                     ` Greg Kurz
2009-02-26 22:17                       ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-02-27  9:19                         ` Greg Kurz
2009-02-27 10:53                           ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-02-27 14:33                             ` Cedric Le Goater
2009-02-27  9:36                         ` Cedric Le Goater
2009-02-26 22:31                     ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-02-27  9:03                       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-27  9:19                         ` Andrew Morton
2009-02-27 10:57                           ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-02-27  9:22                         ` Andrew Morton
2009-02-27 10:59                           ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-02-27 16:14                       ` Dave Hansen
2009-02-27 21:57                         ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-02-27 21:54                           ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-01  1:33                       ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-03-01 20:02                         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-01 20:56                           ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-03-01 22:21                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-03 16:17                             ` Cedric Le Goater
2009-03-03 18:28                               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-02-13 10:53               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-16 20:51                 ` Dave Hansen
2009-02-17 22:23                   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-17 22:30                     ` Dave Hansen
2009-02-18  0:32                       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-18  0:40                         ` Dave Hansen
2009-02-18  5:11                           ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-02-18 18:16                             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-18 21:27                               ` Dave Hansen
2009-02-18 23:15                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-19 19:06                                   ` Banning checkpoint (was: Re: What can OpenVZ do?) Alexey Dobriyan
2009-02-19 19:11                                     ` Dave Hansen
2009-02-24  4:47                                       ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-02-24  5:11                                         ` Dave Hansen
2009-02-24 15:43                                           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-02-24 20:09                                           ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-02-12 22:17             ` What can OpenVZ do? Alexey Dobriyan
2009-02-13 10:27             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-13 11:32               ` Alexey Dobriyan [this message]
2009-02-13 11:45                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-13 22:28                   ` Alexey Dobriyan
2009-03-14  0:04                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-03-14  0:26                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-02-12 22:57         ` [RFC v13][PATCH 00/14] Kernel based checkpoint/restart Dave Hansen
2009-02-12 23:05           ` Matt Mackall
2009-02-12 23:13             ` Dave Hansen
2009-02-13 23:28       ` Andrew Morton
2009-02-14 23:08         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-14 23:31           ` Andrew Morton
2009-02-14 23:50             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-16 17:37         ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-13  2:45         ` Oren Laadan
2009-03-13  3:57           ` Oren Laadan

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