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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>
Cc: torvalds@linux-foundation.org, peterz@infradead.org,
	Enrik.Berkhan@ge.com, uclinux-dev@uclinux.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] NOMMU: Pages allocated to a ramfs inode's pagecache may get wrongly discarded
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:03:02 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090311150302.0ae76cf1.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090311153034.9389.19938.stgit@warthog.procyon.org.uk>

On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:30:35 +0000
David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com> wrote:

> From: Enrik Berkhan <Enrik.Berkhan@ge.com>
> 
> The pages attached to a ramfs inode's pagecache by truncation from nothing - as
> done by SYSV SHM for example - may get discarded under memory pressure.

Something has gone wrong in core VM.

> The problem is that the pages are not marked dirty.  Anything that creates data
> in an MMU-based ramfs will cause the pages holding that data will cause the
> set_page_dirty() aop to be called.
> 
> For the NOMMU-based mmap, set_page_dirty() may be called by write(), but it
> won't be called by page-writing faults on writable mmaps, and it isn't called
> by ramfs_nommu_expand_for_mapping() when a file is being truncated from nothing
> to allocate a contiguous run.
> 
> The solution is to mark the pages dirty at the point of allocation by
> the truncation code.

Page reclaim shouldn't be even attempting to reclaim or write back
ramfs pagecache pages - reclaim can't possibly do anything with these
pages!

Arguably those pages shouldn't be on the LRU at all, but we haven't
done that yet.

Now, my problem is that I can't 100% be sure that we _ever_ implemented
this properly.  I _think_ we did, in which case we later broke it.  If
we've always been (stupidly) trying to pageout these pages then OK, I
guess your patch is a suitable 2.6.29 stopgap.

If, however, we broke it then we've probably broken other filesystems
and we should fix the regression instead.

Running bdi_cap_writeback_dirty() in may_write_to_queue() might be the
way to fix all this.

Peter touched it last :)

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       reply	other threads:[~2009-03-11 22:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20090311153034.9389.19938.stgit@warthog.procyon.org.uk>
2009-03-11 22:03 ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2009-03-11 22:36   ` [PATCH] NOMMU: Pages allocated to a ramfs inode's pagecache may get wrongly discarded Johannes Weiner
2009-03-12  0:02   ` Andrew Morton
2009-03-12  0:35     ` Minchan Kim
2009-03-12  1:04       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-03-12  1:52         ` Minchan Kim
2009-03-12  1:56           ` Minchan Kim
2009-03-12  2:00           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-03-12  2:11             ` Minchan Kim
2009-03-12 12:19         ` Robin Getz
2009-03-12 17:55           ` [uClinux-dev] " Jamie Lokier
2009-03-13 17:33         ` [PATCH 0/2] Make the Unevictable LRU available on NOMMU David Howells
2009-03-13 17:33           ` [PATCH 1/2] NOMMU: There is no mlock() for NOMMU, so don't provide the bits David Howells
2009-03-14 11:17             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-03-13 17:33           ` [PATCH 2/2] NOMMU: Make CONFIG_UNEVICTABLE_LRU available when CONFIG_MMU=n David Howells
2009-03-14 11:17             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-03-14  0:27           ` [PATCH 0/2] Make the Unevictable LRU available on NOMMU Minchan Kim
2009-03-20 16:08             ` Lee Schermerhorn
2009-03-20 16:24             ` David Howells
2009-03-20 18:30               ` Lee Schermerhorn
2009-03-21 10:20                 ` Johannes Weiner
2009-03-22 20:13                   ` [patch 1/3] mm: decouple unevictable lru from mmu Johannes Weiner
2009-03-22 23:46                     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-03-23  0:14                       ` Johannes Weiner
2009-03-23 10:48                       ` David Howells
2009-03-22 20:13                   ` [patch 2/3] ramfs-nommu: use generic lru cache Johannes Weiner
2009-03-23  2:22                     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-03-22 20:13                   ` [patch 3/3] mm: keep pages from unevictable mappings off the LRU lists Johannes Weiner
2009-03-23  0:44                     ` Minchan Kim
2009-03-23  2:21                       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-03-23  8:42                         ` Johannes Weiner
2009-03-23  9:01                           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-03-23  9:23                             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-03-26  0:48                               ` Johannes Weiner
2009-03-23 10:40                   ` [patch 2/3] ramfs-nommu: use generic lru cache David Howells
2009-03-23 10:53                   ` [patch 3/3] mm: keep pages from unevictable mappings off the LRU lists David Howells
2009-03-26  0:01                     ` Johannes Weiner
2009-03-26  8:56                       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-03-26 10:36                         ` Johannes Weiner
2009-03-23 20:07                   ` [PATCH 0/2] Make the Unevictable LRU available on NOMMU Lee Schermerhorn
2009-03-13 11:53       ` [PATCH] NOMMU: Pages allocated to a ramfs inode's pagecache may get wrongly discarded David Howells
2009-03-13 22:49         ` Johannes Weiner

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