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From: Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Nick Piggin <npiggin@novell.com>,
	Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [aarcange@redhat.com: [PATCH] fork vs gup(-fast) fix]
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 21:55:29 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090311205529.GR27823@random.random> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0903111328180.32478@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 01:33:17PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> Btw, if we don't do that, then there are better alternatives. One is:
> 
>  - fork already always takes the write lock on mmap_sem (and f*ck no, I 
>    doubt anybody will ever care one whit how "parallel" you can do forks 
>    from threads, so I don't think this is an issue)
> 
>  - Just make the rule be that people who use get_user_pages() always 
>    have to have the read-lock on mmap_sem until they've used the pages.

How do you handle pages where gup already returned and I/O still in
flight? Forcing gup-fast to be called with mmap_sem already hold (like
gup used to require) only avoids the need of changes in gup-fast
AFAICT. You'll still get pages that are pinned and calling gup-fast
under mmap_sem (no matter if read or even write mode) won't make a
difference, still those pages will be pinned while fork runs and with
dma going to them (by O_DIRECT or some driver using gup, as long as
PageReserved isn't set on them).

> We already take the read-lock for the lookup (well, not for the gup, but 
> for all the slow cases), but I'm saying that we could go one step further 
> - just read-lock over the _whole_ O_DIRECT read or write. That way you 
> literally protect against concurrent fork()s.

Releasing the mmap_sem read mode in the irq-completion handler context
should be possible, however fork will end up throttled blocking for
I/O which isn't very nice behavior. BTW, direct-io.c is a total mess,
I couldn't even figure out where to release those locks in the I/O
completion handlers when I tried something like this with PG_lock
instead of the mmap_sem...  Eventually I gave it up because this isn't
just about O_DIRECT but all gup users have this trouble with fork.

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Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20090311170611.GA2079@elte.hu>
2009-03-11 17:33 ` [aarcange@redhat.com: [PATCH] fork vs gup(-fast) fix] Linus Torvalds
2009-03-11 17:41   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-03-11 17:58     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-03-11 18:37       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-03-11 18:46         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-03-11 19:01           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-03-11 19:59             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-03-11 20:19               ` Linus Torvalds
2009-03-11 20:33                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-03-11 20:55                   ` Andrea Arcangeli [this message]
2009-03-11 21:28                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-03-11 21:57                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-03-11 22:06                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-03-11 22:07                           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-03-11 22:22                           ` Davide Libenzi
2009-03-11 22:32                             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-03-14  5:07                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-03-11 20:48                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-03-14  5:06                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-03-14  5:20                   ` Nick Piggin
2009-03-16 16:01                     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-03-16 16:23                       ` Nick Piggin
2009-03-16 16:32                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-03-16 16:50                           ` Nick Piggin
2009-03-16 17:02                             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-03-16 17:19                               ` Nick Piggin
2009-03-16 17:42                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-03-16 18:02                                   ` Nick Piggin
2009-03-16 18:05                                     ` Nick Piggin
2009-03-16 18:17                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-03-16 18:33                                         ` Nick Piggin
2009-03-16 19:22                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-03-17  5:44                                             ` Nick Piggin
2009-03-16 18:14                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-03-16 18:29                                       ` Nick Piggin
2009-03-16 19:17                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-03-17  5:42                                           ` Nick Piggin
2009-03-17  5:58                                             ` Nick Piggin
2009-03-16 18:37                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-03-16 18:28                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-03-16 23:59                             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-03-18  2:04                         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-03-22 12:23                           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-03-23  0:13                             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-03-23 16:29                               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-03-23 16:46                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-03-24  5:08                                   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-03-24 13:43                             ` Nick Piggin
2009-03-24 17:56                               ` Linus Torvalds
2009-03-30 10:52                               ` KOSAKI Motohiro
     [not found]                                 ` <200904022307.12043.nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
2009-04-03  3:49                                   ` Nick Piggin
2009-03-17  0:44                       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-03-17  0:56                         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-03-17 12:19                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-03-17 16:43                           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-03-17 17:01                             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-03-17 17:10                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-03-17 17:43                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-03-17 18:09                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-03-17 18:19                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-03-17 18:46                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-03-17 19:03                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-03-17 19:35                                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-03-17 19:55                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-03-11 19:06           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-03-12  5:36           ` Nick Piggin
2009-03-12 16:23             ` Nick Piggin
2009-03-12 17:00               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-03-12 17:20                 ` Nick Piggin
2009-03-12 17:23                   ` Nick Piggin
2009-03-12 18:06                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-03-12 18:58                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-03-13 16:09                     ` Nick Piggin
2009-03-13 19:34                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-03-14  4:59                         ` Nick Piggin
2009-03-16 13:56                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-03-16 16:01                             ` Nick Piggin
2009-03-14  4:46                       ` Nick Piggin
2009-03-14  5:06                         ` Nick Piggin
2009-03-11 18:53     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-03-11 18:22   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-03-11 19:06     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-03-11 19:15       ` Andrea Arcangeli

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