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From: Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>
To: Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>
Cc: Linux Memory Management List <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux-foundation.org>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Lin Ming <ming.m.lin@intel.com>,
	Zhang Yanmin <yanmin_zhang@linux.intel.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/35] Cleanup and optimise the page allocator V3
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:33:58 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090316113358.GA30802@wotan.suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090316111906.GA6382@csn.ul.ie>

On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 11:19:06AM +0000, Mel Gorman wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 11:40:54AM +0100, Nick Piggin wrote:
> > That's wonderful, but it would
> > significantly increase the fragmentation problem, wouldn't it?
> 
> Not necessarily, anti-fragmentation groups movable pages within a
> hugepage-aligned block and high-order allocations will trigger a merge of
> buddies from PAGE_ALLOC_MERGE_ORDER (defined in the relevant patch) up to
> MAX_ORDER-1. Critically, a merge is also triggered when anti-fragmentation
> wants to fallback to another migratetype to satisfy an allocation. As
> long as the grouping works, it doesn't matter if they were only merged up
> to PAGE_ALLOC_MERGE_ORDER as a full merge will still free up hugepages.
> So two slow paths are made slower but the fast path should be faster and it
> should be causing fewer cache line bounces due to writes to struct page.

Oh, but the anti-fragmentation stuff is orthogonal to this. Movable
groups should always be defragmentable (at some cost)... the bane of
anti-frag is fragmentation of the non-movable groups.

And one reason why buddy is so good at avoiding fragmentation is
because it will pick up _any_ pages that go past the allocator if
they have any free buddies. And it hands out ones that don't have
free buddies. So in that way it is naturally continually filtering
out pages which can be merged.

Wheras if you defer this until the point you need a higher order
page, the only thing you have to work with are the pages that are
free *right now*.

It will almost definitely increase fragmentation of non movable zones,
and if you have a workload doing non-trivial, non movable higher order
allocations that are likely to cause fragmentation, it will result
in these allocations eating movable groups sooner I think.


> When I last checked (about 10 days) ago, I hadn't damaged anti-fragmentation
> but that was a lot of revisions ago. I'm redoing the tests to make sure
> anti-fragmentation is still ok.

Your anti-frag tests probably don't stress this long term fragmentation
problem.

Still, it's significant enough that I think it should be made
optional (and arguably default to on) even if it does harm higher
order allocations a bit.

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  reply	other threads:[~2009-03-16 11:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 94+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-03-16  9:45 [PATCH 00/35] Cleanup and optimise the page allocator V3 Mel Gorman
2009-03-16  9:45 ` [PATCH 01/35] Replace __alloc_pages_internal() with __alloc_pages_nodemask() Mel Gorman
2009-03-16 15:49   ` Christoph Lameter
2009-03-16  9:45 ` [PATCH 02/35] Do not sanity check order in the fast path Mel Gorman
2009-03-16 15:52   ` Christoph Lameter
2009-03-16  9:45 ` [PATCH 03/35] Do not check NUMA node ID when the caller knows the node is valid Mel Gorman
2009-03-16  9:45 ` [PATCH 04/35] Check only once if the zonelist is suitable for the allocation Mel Gorman
2009-03-16  9:46 ` [PATCH 05/35] Break up the allocator entry point into fast and slow paths Mel Gorman
2009-03-16  9:46 ` [PATCH 06/35] Move check for disabled anti-fragmentation out of fastpath Mel Gorman
2009-03-16 15:54   ` Christoph Lameter
2009-03-16  9:46 ` [PATCH 07/35] Check in advance if the zonelist needs additional filtering Mel Gorman
2009-03-16  9:46 ` [PATCH 08/35] Calculate the preferred zone for allocation only once Mel Gorman
2009-03-16  9:46 ` [PATCH 09/35] Calculate the migratetype " Mel Gorman
2009-03-16  9:46 ` [PATCH 10/35] Calculate the alloc_flags " Mel Gorman
2009-03-16  9:46 ` [PATCH 11/35] Calculate the cold parameter " Mel Gorman
2009-03-16  9:46 ` [PATCH 12/35] Remove a branch by assuming __GFP_HIGH == ALLOC_HIGH Mel Gorman
2009-03-16  9:46 ` [PATCH 13/35] Inline __rmqueue_smallest() Mel Gorman
2009-03-16  9:46 ` [PATCH 14/35] Inline buffered_rmqueue() Mel Gorman
2009-03-16  9:46 ` [PATCH 15/35] Inline __rmqueue_fallback() Mel Gorman
2009-03-16 15:57   ` Christoph Lameter
2009-03-16 16:25     ` Mel Gorman
2009-03-16  9:46 ` [PATCH 16/35] Save text by reducing call sites of __rmqueue() Mel Gorman
2009-03-16  9:46 ` [PATCH 17/35] Do not call get_pageblock_migratetype() more than necessary Mel Gorman
2009-03-16 16:00   ` Christoph Lameter
2009-03-16  9:46 ` [PATCH 18/35] Do not disable interrupts in free_page_mlock() Mel Gorman
2009-03-16 16:05   ` Christoph Lameter
2009-03-16 16:29     ` Mel Gorman
2009-03-16  9:46 ` [PATCH 19/35] Do not setup zonelist cache when there is only one node Mel Gorman
2009-03-16 16:06   ` Christoph Lameter
2009-03-16  9:46 ` [PATCH 20/35] Use a pre-calculated value for num_online_nodes() Mel Gorman
2009-03-16 11:42   ` Nick Piggin
2009-03-16 11:46     ` Nick Piggin
2009-03-16 16:08   ` Christoph Lameter
2009-03-16 16:36     ` Mel Gorman
2009-03-16 16:47       ` Christoph Lameter
2009-03-18 15:08         ` Mel Gorman
2009-03-18 16:58           ` Christoph Lameter
2009-03-18 18:01             ` Mel Gorman
2009-03-18 19:10               ` Christoph Lameter
2009-03-19 20:43                 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-03-19 21:29                   ` Mel Gorman
2009-03-19 22:22                     ` Christoph Lameter
2009-03-19 22:33                       ` Mel Gorman
2009-03-19 22:42                         ` Christoph Lameter
2009-03-19 22:52                           ` Mel Gorman
2009-03-19 22:06                   ` Mel Gorman
2009-03-19 22:39                     ` Christoph Lameter
2009-03-19 22:21                   ` Mel Gorman
2009-03-19 22:24                     ` Christoph Lameter
2009-03-19 23:04                       ` Mel Gorman
2009-03-16  9:46 ` [PATCH 21/35] Do not check for compound pages during the page allocator sanity checks Mel Gorman
2009-03-16 16:09   ` Christoph Lameter
2009-03-16  9:46 ` [PATCH 22/35] Use allocation flags as an index to the zone watermark Mel Gorman
2009-03-16 16:11   ` Christoph Lameter
2009-03-16  9:46 ` [PATCH 23/35] Update NR_FREE_PAGES only as necessary Mel Gorman
2009-03-16 16:17   ` Christoph Lameter
2009-03-16 16:42     ` Mel Gorman
2009-03-16 16:48       ` Christoph Lameter
2009-03-16 16:58         ` Mel Gorman
2009-03-16  9:46 ` [PATCH 24/35] Convert gfp_zone() to use a table of precalculated values Mel Gorman
2009-03-16 16:19   ` Christoph Lameter
2009-03-16 16:45     ` Mel Gorman
2009-03-16  9:46 ` [PATCH 25/35] Re-sort GFP flags and fix whitespace alignment for easier reading Mel Gorman
2009-03-16  9:46 ` [PATCH 26/35] Use the per-cpu allocator for orders up to PAGE_ALLOC_COSTLY_ORDER Mel Gorman
2009-03-16 16:26   ` Christoph Lameter
2009-03-16 16:47     ` Mel Gorman
2009-03-16  9:46 ` [PATCH 27/35] Split per-cpu list into one-list-per-migrate-type Mel Gorman
2009-03-16  9:46 ` [PATCH 28/35] Batch free pages from migratetype per-cpu lists Mel Gorman
2009-03-16  9:46 ` [PATCH 29/35] Do not store the PCP high and batch watermarks in the per-cpu structure Mel Gorman
2009-03-16 16:30   ` Christoph Lameter
2009-03-16  9:46 ` [PATCH 30/35] Skip the PCP list search by counting the order and type of pages on list Mel Gorman
2009-03-16 16:31   ` Christoph Lameter
2009-03-16 16:51     ` Mel Gorman
2009-03-16  9:46 ` [PATCH 31/35] Optimistically check the first page on the PCP free list is suitable Mel Gorman
2009-03-16 16:33   ` Christoph Lameter
2009-03-16 16:52     ` Mel Gorman
2009-03-16  9:46 ` [PATCH 32/35] Inline next_zones_zonelist() of the zonelist scan in the fastpath Mel Gorman
2009-03-16  9:46 ` [PATCH 33/35] Do not merge buddies until they are needed by a high-order allocation or anti-fragmentation Mel Gorman
2009-03-16  9:46 ` [PATCH 34/35] Allow compound pages to be stored on the PCP lists Mel Gorman
2009-03-16 16:47   ` Christoph Lameter
2009-03-16  9:46 ` [PATCH 35/35] Allow up to 4MB PCP lists due to compound pages Mel Gorman
2009-03-16 10:40 ` [PATCH 00/35] Cleanup and optimise the page allocator V3 Nick Piggin
2009-03-16 11:19   ` Mel Gorman
2009-03-16 11:33     ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2009-03-16 12:02       ` Mel Gorman
2009-03-16 12:25         ` Nick Piggin
2009-03-16 13:32           ` Mel Gorman
2009-03-16 15:53             ` Nick Piggin
2009-03-16 16:56               ` Mel Gorman
2009-03-16 17:05                 ` Nick Piggin
2009-03-18 15:07                   ` Mel Gorman
2009-03-16 11:45 ` Nick Piggin
2009-03-16 12:11   ` Mel Gorman
2009-03-16 12:28     ` Nick Piggin

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