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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
Cc: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, "Martin J. Bligh" <mbligh@mbligh.org>,
	linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, Ying Han <yinghan@google.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	guichaz@gmail.com, Alex Khesin <alexk@google.com>,
	Mike Waychison <mikew@google.com>,
	Rohit Seth <rohitseth@google.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Subject: Re: ftruncate-mmap: pages are lost after writing to mmaped file.
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 03:32:04 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090324033204.64f3da9d.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200903241844.22851.nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>

On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 18:44:21 +1100 Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

> On Friday 20 March 2009 03:46:39 Jan Kara wrote:
> > On Fri 20-03-09 02:48:21, Nick Piggin wrote:
> 
> > > Holding mapping->private_lock over the __set_page_dirty should
> > > fix it, although I guess you'd want to release it before calling
> > > __mark_inode_dirty so as not to put inode_lock under there. I
> > > have a patch for this if it sounds reasonable.
> >
> >   Yes, that seems to be a bug - the function actually looked suspitious to
> > me yesterday but I somehow convinced myself that it's fine. Probably
> > because fsx-linux is single-threaded.
> 
> 
> After a whole lot of chasing my own tail in the VM and buffer layers,
> I think it is a problem in ext2 (and I haven't been able to reproduce
> with ext3 yet, which might lend weight to that, although as we have
> seen, it is very timing dependent).
> 
> That would be slightly unfortunate because we still have Jan's ext3
> problem, and also another reported problem of corruption on ext3 (on
> brd driver).
> 
> Anyway, when I have reproduced the problem with the test case, the
> "lost" writes are all reported to be holes. Unfortunately, that doesn't
> point straight to the filesystem, because ext2 allocates blocks in this
> case at writeout time, so if dirty bits are getting lost, then it would
> be normal to see holes.
> 
> I then put in a whole lot of extra infrastructure to track metadata about
> each struct page (when it was last written out, when it last had the number
> of writable ptes reach 0, when the dirty bits were last cleared etc). And
> none of the normal asertions were triggering: eg. when any page is removed
> from pagecache (except truncates), it has always had all its buffers
> written out *after* all ptes were made readonly or unmapped. Lots of other
> tests and crap like that.
> 
> So I tried what I should have done to start with and did an e2fsck after
> seeing corruption. Yes, it comes up with errors.

Do you recall what the errors were?

> Now that is unusual
> because that should be largely insulated from the vm: if a dirty bit gets
> lost, then the filesystem image should be quite happy and error-free with
> a hole or unwritten data there.
> 
> I don't know ext? locking very well, except that it looks pretty overly
> complex and crufty.
> 
> Usually, blocks are instantiated by write(2), under i_mutex, serialising
> the allocator somewhat. mmap-write blocks are instantiated at writeout
> time, unserialised. I moved truncate_mutex to cover the entire get_blocks
> function, and can no longer trigger the problem. Might be a timing issue
> though -- Ying, can you try this and see if you can still reproduce?
> 
> I close my eyes and pick something out of a hat. a686cd89. Search for XXX.
> Nice. Whether or not this cased the problem, can someone please tell me
> why it got merged in that state?
> 
> I'm leaving ext3 running for now. It looks like a nasty task to bisect
> ext2 down to that commit :( and I would be more interested in trying to
> reproduce Jan's ext3 problem, however, because I'm not too interested in
> diving into ext2 locking to work out exactly what is racing and how to
> fix it properly. I suspect it would be most productive to wire up some
> ioctls right into the block allocator/lookup and code up a userspace
> tester for it that could probably stress it a lot harder than kernel
> writeout can.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-03-24 10:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-03-18 19:44 ftruncate-mmap: pages are lost after writing to mmaped file Ying Han
2009-03-18 22:11 ` Andrew Morton
2009-03-18 22:40   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-03-18 23:18     ` Ying Han
2009-03-18 23:36       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-03-18 23:54         ` Ying Han
2009-03-19 15:48           ` Nick Piggin
2009-03-19 16:16             ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-03-19 16:36               ` Nick Piggin
2009-03-19 16:20             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-03-19 16:34               ` Nick Piggin
2009-03-19 16:51                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-03-19 17:03                   ` Jan Kara
2009-03-19 17:06                     ` Jan Kara
2009-03-19 20:05                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-03-19 20:21                   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-03-19 21:17                     ` Ying Han
2009-03-19 22:16                     ` Jan Kara
2009-03-19 16:46             ` Jan Kara
2009-03-24  7:44               ` Nick Piggin
2009-03-24 10:27                 ` Nick Piggin
2009-03-24 10:32                 ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2009-03-24 15:35                   ` Nick Piggin
2009-03-26 18:29                     ` Jan Kara
2009-03-26  0:03                   ` Ying Han
2009-03-24 12:39                 ` Jan Kara
2009-03-24 12:55                   ` Jan Kara
2009-03-24 13:26                     ` Jan Kara
2009-03-24 14:01                       ` Chris Mason
2009-03-24 14:07                         ` Jan Kara
2009-03-26  8:18                           ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2009-03-24 14:30                       ` Nick Piggin
2009-03-24 14:47                         ` Jan Kara
2009-03-24 14:56                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-03-24 15:29                             ` Jan Kara
2009-03-24 20:14                               ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2009-03-26  8:47                               ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2009-03-26 11:37                                 ` Jan Kara
2009-03-26 23:02                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-03-24 15:03                           ` Nick Piggin
2009-03-24 15:48                             ` Jan Kara
2009-03-24 17:35                               ` Jan Kara
2009-04-01 22:36                                 ` Ying Han
2009-04-02 10:11                                   ` Jan Kara
2009-04-02 11:24                                   ` Nick Piggin
2009-04-02 11:34                                     ` Jan Kara
2009-04-02 15:51                                       ` Nick Piggin
2009-04-02 17:44                                         ` Ying Han
2009-04-02 22:52                                           ` Ying Han
2009-04-02 23:39                                             ` Jan Kara
2009-04-03  0:25                                               ` Ying Han
2009-04-03  1:29                                               ` Ying Han
2009-04-03  9:41                                                 ` Jan Kara
2009-04-03 21:34                                                   ` Ying Han
2009-04-03  0:13                                     ` Ying Han
2009-03-27 20:35                 ` Ying Han
2009-03-20  0:34     ` Ying Han
2009-03-20  0:49       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-03-20  7:00         ` Ying Han
2009-03-25 23:15     ` Ying Han

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