From: Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: "Steven Rostedt" <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
"Frédéric Weisbecker" <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
"Larry Woodman" <lwoodman@redhat.com>,
"Peter Zijlstra" <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
"Pekka Enberg" <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>,
"Eduard - Gabriel Munteanu" <eduard.munteanu@linux360.ro>,
"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"KOSAKI Motohiro" <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
"Andi Kleen" <andi@firstfloor.org>,
"Matt Mackall" <mpm@selenic.com>,
"Alexey Dobriyan" <adobriyan@gmail.com>,
"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 5/5] proc: export more page flags in /proc/kpageflags
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 16:33:20 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090428083320.GB17038@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090428065507.GA2024@elte.hu>
On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 08:55:07AM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
>
> * Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com> wrote:
>
> > Export 9 page flags in /proc/kpageflags, and 8 more for kernel developers.
> >
> > 1) for kernel hackers (on CONFIG_DEBUG_KERNEL)
> > - all available page flags are exported, and
> > - exported as is
> > 2) for admins and end users
> > - only the more `well known' flags are exported:
> > 11. KPF_MMAP (pseudo flag) memory mapped page
> > 12. KPF_ANON (pseudo flag) memory mapped page (anonymous)
> > 13. KPF_SWAPCACHE page is in swap cache
> > 14. KPF_SWAPBACKED page is swap/RAM backed
> > 15. KPF_COMPOUND_HEAD (*)
> > 16. KPF_COMPOUND_TAIL (*)
> > 17. KPF_UNEVICTABLE page is in the unevictable LRU list
> > 18. KPF_HWPOISON hardware detected corruption
> > 19. KPF_NOPAGE (pseudo flag) no page frame at the address
> >
> > (*) For compound pages, exporting _both_ head/tail info enables
> > users to tell where a compound page starts/ends, and its order.
> >
> > - limit flags to their typical usage scenario, as indicated by KOSAKI:
> > - LRU pages: only export relevant flags
> > - PG_lru
> > - PG_unevictable
> > - PG_active
> > - PG_referenced
> > - page_mapped()
> > - PageAnon()
> > - PG_swapcache
> > - PG_swapbacked
> > - PG_reclaim
> > - no-IO pages: mask out irrelevant flags
> > - PG_dirty
> > - PG_uptodate
> > - PG_writeback
> > - SLAB pages: mask out overloaded flags:
> > - PG_error
> > - PG_active
> > - PG_private
> > - PG_reclaim: mask out the overloaded PG_readahead
> > - compound flags: only export huge/gigantic pages
> >
> > Here are the admin/linus views of all page flags on a newly booted nfs-root system:
> >
> > # ./page-types # for admin
> > flags page-count MB symbolic-flags long-symbolic-flags
> > 0x000000000000 491174 1918 ____________________________
> > 0x000000000020 1 0 _____l______________________ lru
> > 0x000000000028 2543 9 ___U_l______________________ uptodate,lru
> > 0x00000000002c 5288 20 __RU_l______________________ referenced,uptodate,lru
> > 0x000000004060 1 0 _____lA_______b_____________ lru,active,swapbacked
>
> I think i have to NAK this kind of ad-hoc instrumentation of kernel
> internals and statistics until we clear up why such instrumentation
> measures are being accepted into the MM while other, more dynamic
> and more flexible MM instrumentation are being resisted by Andrew.
An unexpected NAK - to throw away an orange because we are to have an apple? ;-)
Anyway here are the missing rationals.
1) FAST
It takes merely 0.2s to scan 4GB pages:
./page-types 0.02s user 0.20s system 99% cpu 0.216 total
2) SIMPLE
/proc/kpageflags will be a *long standing* hack we have to live with -
it was originally introduced by Matt to do shared memory accounting and
a facility to analyze applications' memory consumptions, with the hope
it will also help kernel developers someday.
So why not extend and embrace it, in a straightforward way?
3) USE CASES
I have/will take advantage of the above page-types command in a number ways:
- to help track down memory leak (the recent trace/ring_buffer.c case)
- to estimate the system wide readahead miss ratio
- Andi want to examine the major page types in different workloads
(for the hwpoison work)
- Me too, for fun of learning: read/write/lock/whatever a lot of pages
and examine their flags, to get an idea of some random kernel behaviors.
(the dynamic tracing tools can be more helpful, as a different view)
4) COMPLEMENTARITY
In some cases the dynamic tracing tool is not enough (or too complex)
to rebuild the current status view.
I myself have a dynamic readahead tracing tool(very useful!).
At the same time I also use readahead accounting numbers, and the
/proc/filecache tool(frequently!), and the above page-types tool.
I simply need them all - they are handy for different cases.
Thanks,
Fengguang
> The above type of condensed information can be built out of dynamic
> trace data too - and much more. Being able to track page state
> transitions is very valuable when debugging VM problems. One such
> 'view' of trace data would be a summary histogram like above.
>
> ( done after a "echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches" to make sure all
> interesting pages have been re-established and their state is
> present in the trace. )
>
> The SLAB code already has such a facility, kmemtrace: it's very
> useful and successful in visualizing complex SLAB details, both
> dynamically and statically.
>
> I think the same general approach should be used for the page
> allocator too (and for the page cache and some other struct page
> based caches): the life-time of an object should be followed. If we
> capture the important details we capture the big picture too. Pekka
> already sent an RFC patch to extend kmemtrace in such a fashion. Why
> is that more useful method not being pursued?
>
> By extending upon the (existing) /proc/kpageflags hack a usecase is
> taken away from the tracing based solution and a needless overlap is
> created - and that's not particularly helpful IMHO. We now have all
> the facilities upstream that allow us to do intelligent
> instrumentation - we should make use of them.
>
> Ingo
>
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-04-28 9:14 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-04-28 1:09 [PATCH 0/5] proc: export more page flags in /proc/kpageflags (take 4) Wu Fengguang
2009-04-28 1:09 ` [PATCH 1/5] pagemap: document clarifications Wu Fengguang
2009-04-28 7:11 ` Tommi Rantala
2009-04-28 1:09 ` [PATCH 2/5] pagemap: documentation 9 more exported page flags Wu Fengguang
2009-04-28 1:09 ` [PATCH 3/5] mm: introduce PageHuge() for testing huge/gigantic pages Wu Fengguang
2009-04-28 1:09 ` [PATCH 4/5] proc: kpagecount/kpageflags code cleanup Wu Fengguang
2009-04-28 1:09 ` [PATCH 5/5] proc: export more page flags in /proc/kpageflags Wu Fengguang
2009-04-28 6:55 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-28 7:40 ` Andi Kleen
2009-04-28 9:04 ` Pekka Enberg
2009-04-28 9:10 ` Andi Kleen
2009-04-28 9:15 ` Pekka Enberg
2009-04-28 9:15 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-28 9:19 ` Pekka Enberg
2009-04-28 9:25 ` Pekka Enberg
2009-04-28 9:36 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-28 9:36 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-28 9:57 ` Pekka Enberg
2009-04-28 10:10 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-28 10:21 ` Pekka Enberg
2009-04-28 10:56 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-28 11:09 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-28 12:42 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-28 11:03 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-28 17:42 ` Matt Mackall
2009-04-28 9:29 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-28 9:34 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-28 9:38 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-28 9:55 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-28 10:11 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-28 11:05 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-28 11:36 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-28 12:17 ` [rfc] object collection tracing (was: [PATCH 5/5] proc: export more page flags in /proc/kpageflags) Ingo Molnar
2009-04-28 13:31 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-12 13:01 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-05-17 13:36 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-17 13:55 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2009-05-17 14:12 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-18 11:44 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-18 11:47 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-28 10:18 ` [PATCH 5/5] proc: export more page flags in /proc/kpageflags Andi Kleen
2009-04-28 8:33 ` Wu Fengguang [this message]
2009-04-28 9:24 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-28 18:11 ` Tony Luck
2009-04-28 18:34 ` Matt Mackall
2009-04-28 20:47 ` Tony Luck
2009-04-28 20:54 ` Andi Kleen
2009-04-28 20:59 ` Matt Mackall
2009-04-28 21:17 ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-28 21:49 ` Matt Mackall
2009-04-29 0:02 ` Robin Holt
2009-04-28 17:49 ` Matt Mackall
2009-04-29 8:05 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-29 19:13 ` Matt Mackall
2009-04-30 1:00 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-28 21:32 ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-28 22:46 ` Matt Mackall
2009-04-28 23:02 ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-28 23:31 ` Matt Mackall
2009-04-28 23:42 ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-28 23:55 ` Matt Mackall
2009-04-29 3:33 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-29 2:38 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-29 2:55 ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-29 3:48 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-29 5:09 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-29 4:41 ` Nathan Lynch
2009-04-29 4:50 ` Andrew Morton
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