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From: Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>
To: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
Cc: Izik Eidus <ieidus@redhat.com>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	chrisw@redhat.com, alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk, device@lanana.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, hugh@veritas.com, nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/6] ksm: dont allow overlap memory addresses registrations.
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 15:17:35 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090506131735.GW16078@random.random> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4A0181EA.3070600@redhat.com>

On Wed, May 06, 2009 at 08:26:18AM -0400, Rik van Riel wrote:
> The user can break up the underlying VMAs though.
>
> I am just wondering out loud if we really want two
> VMA-like objects in the kernel, the VMA itself and
> a separate KSM object, with different semantics.
>
> Maybe this is fine, but I do think it's a question
> that needs to be thought about.

If we want to keep KVM self contained we need a separate object. If we
want to merge part of KVM into the kernel VM core, then it can use the
vma and use madvise or better its own syscall (usually madvise doesn't
depend on admin starting kernel threads) or similar and the semantics
will change slightly. From a practical point of view I don't think
there's much difference and it can be done later if we change our
mind, given the low amount of apps that uses KVM (but for those few
apps like KVM, KSM can save tons of memory).

For example for the swapping of KSM pages we've been thinking of using
external rmap hooks to avoid the VM to know anything specific to KSM
pages but to still allow their unmapping and swap. Otherwise if there
are other modules like KVM that wants to extend the VM they'll also
have to add their own PG_ bitflags just for allow the swapping of
their own pages in the VM LRUs etc..

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-05-06 13:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-05-04 22:25 [PATCH 0/6] ksm changes (v2) Izik Eidus
2009-05-04 22:25 ` [PATCH 1/6] ksm: limiting the num of mem regions user can register per fd Izik Eidus
2009-05-04 22:25   ` [PATCH 2/6] ksm: dont allow overlap memory addresses registrations Izik Eidus
2009-05-04 22:25     ` [PATCH 3/6] ksm: change the KSM_REMOVE_MEMORY_REGION ioctl Izik Eidus
2009-05-04 22:25       ` [PATCH 4/6] ksm: change the prot handling to use the generic helper functions Izik Eidus
2009-05-04 22:25         ` [PATCH 5/6] ksm: build system make it compile for all archs Izik Eidus
2009-05-04 22:25           ` [PATCH 6/6] ksm: use another miscdevice minor number Izik Eidus
2009-05-06  0:55             ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-06  0:54           ` [PATCH 5/6] ksm: build system make it compile for all archs Rik van Riel
2009-05-06  0:54         ` [PATCH 4/6] ksm: change the prot handling to use the generic helper functions Rik van Riel
2009-05-06  0:53       ` [PATCH 3/6] ksm: change the KSM_REMOVE_MEMORY_REGION ioctl Rik van Riel
2009-05-06  8:38         ` Izik Eidus
2009-05-06 11:16           ` Hugh Dickins
2009-05-06 13:34             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-05-06 13:56               ` Izik Eidus
2009-05-06 16:41                 ` Hugh Dickins
2009-05-06 16:49                   ` Chris Wright
2009-05-06 16:57                     ` Hugh Dickins
2009-05-06 17:47                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-05-06 16:59                     ` Izik Eidus
2009-05-07 11:31                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-05-07 13:13                       ` Hugh Dickins
2009-05-07 13:23                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-05-06 14:25               ` Hugh Dickins
2009-05-06 14:45                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-05-06 15:36                   ` Chris Wright
2009-05-06 15:27             ` Izik Eidus
2009-05-06 16:14               ` Chris Wright
2009-05-06 16:36                 ` Hugh Dickins
2009-05-06 17:09                   ` Chris Wright
2009-05-06 17:54                     ` Hugh Dickins
2009-05-06 16:26               ` Hugh Dickins
2009-05-06 16:58                 ` Izik Eidus
2009-05-06 23:59                   ` Chris Wright
2009-05-07  2:41                     ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-06  0:43     ` [PATCH 2/6] ksm: dont allow overlap memory addresses registrations Rik van Riel
2009-05-06  9:46       ` Izik Eidus
2009-05-06 12:26         ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-06 12:39           ` Izik Eidus
2009-05-06 13:17           ` Andrea Arcangeli [this message]
2009-05-06 13:28             ` Hugh Dickins
2009-05-06 14:02               ` Izik Eidus
2009-05-06 17:11                 ` Hugh Dickins
2009-05-06 14:09               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-05-06 14:21                 ` Alan Cox
2009-05-06 14:46                   ` Hugh Dickins
2009-05-06 14:56                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-05-06 23:55                       ` Minchan Kim
2009-05-07  0:19                         ` Chris Wright
2009-05-07 10:46                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-05-07 12:01                           ` Minchan Kim
2009-05-06 14:57                     ` Izik Eidus
2009-05-06  0:40   ` [PATCH 1/6] ksm: limiting the num of mem regions user can register per fd Rik van Riel
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-05-02 22:16 [PATCH 0/6] ksm changes Izik Eidus
2009-05-02 22:16 ` [PATCH 1/6] ksm: limiting the num of mem regions user can register per fd Izik Eidus
2009-05-02 22:16   ` [PATCH 2/6] ksm: dont allow overlap memory addresses registrations Izik Eidus

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