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From: Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>
To: Balbir Singh <balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
	Adam Litke <agl@us.ibm.com>, Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
	Izik Eidus <ieidus@redhat.com>,
	Hugh Dickins <hugh.dickins@tiscali.co.uk>,
	Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>, Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	Dave Hansen <dave@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Mike Travis <travis@sgi.com>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux-foundation.org>,
	Chris Wright <chrisw@sous-sol.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 28 of 28] memcg huge memory
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 12:40:25 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091224114025.GK6429@random.random> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091224100030.GD13983@balbir.in.ibm.com>

On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 03:30:30PM +0530, Balbir Singh wrote:
> Charging huge pages might be OK, but I wonder if we should create a
> separate counter since hugepages are not reclaimable.  I am yet to
> look at the complete series, does this series make hugepages
> reclaimable? Could you please update Documentation/cgroups/memcg* as
> well.

The transparent hugepage that you quoted are reclaimable (actually
swappable/pageable, reclaimable isn't exact term for them), but the
point is that you can't see the different from userland so they can't
deserve a special counter. The hugetlbfs pages (not in patch above)
are still not swappable but they're not relevant with this
patchset. The whole point of transparent hugepage is that the user
shouldn't even notice they exist and it'll be the kernel to decide if
it worth using them or not, and when to split them if needed. Apps
however would better use madvise(MADV_HUGEPAGE) on large chunks of
malloc memory that will benefit from hugepages, because certain users
like embedded may want to turn off hugepages in all areas except the
ones marked by madvise. Transparent Hugepages may or may not generate
some minor memory and CPU waste depending on usage, so for memory
constrained devices it worth enabling them only where they generate
zero memory loss and zero CPU loss (even the prelloacted pte that is
required to guarantee success of split_huge_page would have been
allocated anyway if hugepages were disabled).

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  reply	other threads:[~2009-12-24 11:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 89+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-12-17 19:00 [PATCH 00 of 28] Transparent Hugepage support #2 Andrea Arcangeli
2009-12-17 19:00 ` [PATCH 01 of 28] compound_lock Andrea Arcangeli
2009-12-17 19:46   ` Christoph Lameter
2009-12-18 14:27     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-12-17 19:00 ` [PATCH 02 of 28] alter compound get_page/put_page Andrea Arcangeli
2009-12-17 19:50   ` Christoph Lameter
2009-12-18 14:30     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-12-17 19:00 ` [PATCH 03 of 28] clear compound mapping Andrea Arcangeli
2009-12-17 19:00 ` [PATCH 04 of 28] add native_set_pmd_at Andrea Arcangeli
2009-12-17 19:00 ` [PATCH 05 of 28] add pmd paravirt ops Andrea Arcangeli
2009-12-17 19:00 ` [PATCH 06 of 28] no paravirt version of pmd ops Andrea Arcangeli
2009-12-17 19:00 ` [PATCH 07 of 28] export maybe_mkwrite Andrea Arcangeli
2009-12-17 19:00 ` [PATCH 08 of 28] comment reminder in destroy_compound_page Andrea Arcangeli
2009-12-17 19:00 ` [PATCH 09 of 28] config_transparent_hugepage Andrea Arcangeli
2009-12-17 19:00 ` [PATCH 10 of 28] add pmd mangling functions to x86 Andrea Arcangeli
2009-12-18 18:56   ` Mel Gorman
2009-12-19 15:27     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-12-17 19:00 ` [PATCH 11 of 28] add pmd mangling generic functions Andrea Arcangeli
2009-12-17 19:00 ` [PATCH 12 of 28] special pmd_trans_* functions Andrea Arcangeli
2009-12-17 19:00 ` [PATCH 13 of 28] bail out gup_fast on freezed pmd Andrea Arcangeli
2009-12-18 18:59   ` Mel Gorman
2009-12-19 15:48     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-12-17 19:00 ` [PATCH 14 of 28] pte alloc trans splitting Andrea Arcangeli
2009-12-18 19:03   ` Mel Gorman
2009-12-19 15:59     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-12-21 19:57       ` Mel Gorman
2009-12-17 19:00 ` [PATCH 15 of 28] add pmd mmu_notifier helpers Andrea Arcangeli
2009-12-17 19:00 ` [PATCH 16 of 28] clear page compound Andrea Arcangeli
2009-12-17 19:00 ` [PATCH 17 of 28] add pmd_huge_pte to mm_struct Andrea Arcangeli
2009-12-17 19:00 ` [PATCH 18 of 28] ensure mapcount is taken on head pages Andrea Arcangeli
2009-12-17 19:00 ` [PATCH 19 of 28] split_huge_page_mm/vma Andrea Arcangeli
2009-12-17 19:00 ` [PATCH 20 of 28] split_huge_page paging Andrea Arcangeli
2009-12-17 19:00 ` [PATCH 21 of 28] pmd_trans_huge migrate bugcheck Andrea Arcangeli
2009-12-17 19:00 ` [PATCH 22 of 28] clear_huge_page fix Andrea Arcangeli
2009-12-18 19:16   ` Mel Gorman
2009-12-17 19:00 ` [PATCH 23 of 28] clear_copy_huge_page Andrea Arcangeli
2009-12-17 19:00 ` [PATCH 24 of 28] kvm mmu transparent hugepage support Andrea Arcangeli
2009-12-17 19:00 ` [PATCH 25 of 28] transparent hugepage core Andrea Arcangeli
2009-12-18 20:03   ` Mel Gorman
2009-12-19 16:41     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-12-21 20:31       ` Mel Gorman
2009-12-23  0:06         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-12-23  6:09           ` Paul Mundt
2010-01-03 18:38           ` Mel Gorman
2010-01-04 15:49             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-01-04 16:58             ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-04  6:16   ` Daisuke Nishimura
2010-01-04 16:04     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-12-17 19:00 ` [PATCH 26 of 28] madvise(MADV_HUGEPAGE) Andrea Arcangeli
2009-12-17 19:00 ` [PATCH 27 of 28] memcg compound Andrea Arcangeli
2009-12-18  1:27   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-18 16:02     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-12-17 19:00 ` [PATCH 28 of 28] memcg huge memory Andrea Arcangeli
2009-12-18  1:33   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-18 16:04     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-12-18 23:06       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-20 18:39         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-12-21  0:26           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-21  1:24             ` Daisuke Nishimura
2009-12-21  3:52               ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-21  4:33                 ` Daisuke Nishimura
2009-12-25  4:17                   ` Daisuke Nishimura
2009-12-25  4:37                     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-24 10:00   ` Balbir Singh
2009-12-24 11:40     ` Andrea Arcangeli [this message]
2009-12-24 12:07       ` Balbir Singh
2009-12-17 19:54 ` [PATCH 00 of 28] Transparent Hugepage support #2 Christoph Lameter
2009-12-17 19:58   ` Rik van Riel
2009-12-17 20:09     ` Christoph Lameter
2009-12-18  5:12       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-12-18  6:18         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-12-18 18:28         ` Christoph Lameter
2009-12-18 18:41           ` Dave Hansen
2009-12-18 19:17             ` Mike Travis
2009-12-18 19:28               ` Swap on flash SSDs Dave Hansen
2009-12-18 19:38                 ` Andi Kleen
2009-12-18 19:39                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-12-18 20:13                   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-18 20:31                     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-12-19 18:38                   ` Jörn Engel
2009-12-18 14:05       ` [PATCH 00 of 28] Transparent Hugepage support #2 Andrea Arcangeli
2009-12-18 18:33         ` Christoph Lameter
2009-12-19 15:09           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-12-17 20:47     ` Mike Travis
2009-12-18  3:28       ` Rik van Riel
2009-12-18 14:12       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-12-18 12:52     ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-18 18:47 ` Dave Hansen
2009-12-19 15:20   ` Andrea Arcangeli

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