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From: Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>
To: Christoph Lameter <cl@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
	Adam Litke <agl@us.ibm.com>, Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
	Izik Eidus <ieidus@redhat.com>,
	Hugh Dickins <hugh.dickins@tiscali.co.uk>,
	Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>, Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	Dave Hansen <dave@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Mike Travis <travis@sgi.com>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Chris Wright <chrisw@sous-sol.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00 of 30] Transparent Hugepage support #3
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:45:50 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100126164550.GQ30452@random.random> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1001261022480.25184@router.home>

On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 10:30:43AM -0600, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> So the allocation works in 2M chunks. Okay that scales at that point but
> code cannot rely on these 2M chunks to continue to exist without
> ancilliary expensive measures (mmu notifier)

mmu notifier "ancilliary expensive measures"? Ask robin with xpmem,
check gru and see how slower kvm runs thanks to mmu notifier..

All you're asking is in the future to also add a 2M-wide pin in gup,
that is not what the current API provides, and so it requires a new
gup_huge_fast API, not the current one, and it is feasible! Just not
done in this implementation as it'd make things more complex.

Just stop this red herring of yours that a replacement of the
pmd_trans_huge with a pte has anything to do with the physical side of
the hugepage. Splitting the page doesn't alter the physical side at
all, it's a _virtual_ split, and your remaining argument is how to
take a global pin on only the head page and having it distributed to
all tail pages when the virtual split happens. This is utterly
unnecessary overhead to all subsystems using mmu notifier, but it
might speedup O_DIRECT a little bit on hugepages, so it may happen
later.

> mmu notifier is expensive. The earlier implementations were able to get a
> stable huge page reference by simply doing a get_page().

That only works on hugetlbfs and it's not a property of gup_fast. It
breaks if userland maps a different mapping under you or if
libhugetlbfs is unloaded. We can extend the refcounting logic to
achieve the same "1 op pins 2M" feature but first of all we need a new
API gup_huge_fast, current api doesn't allow it. I think it's simply
wise to wait stabilizing this, before adding a new feature but if you
want me to do it now that's ok with me.

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  reply	other threads:[~2010-01-26 16:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-01-21  6:20 [PATCH 00 of 30] Transparent Hugepage support #3 Andrea Arcangeli
2010-01-21  6:20 ` [PATCH 01 of 30] define MADV_HUGEPAGE Andrea Arcangeli
2010-01-21  6:20 ` [PATCH 02 of 30] compound_lock Andrea Arcangeli
2010-01-21  6:20 ` [PATCH 03 of 30] alter compound get_page/put_page Andrea Arcangeli
2010-01-21 17:35   ` Dave Hansen
2010-01-23 17:39     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-01-21  6:20 ` [PATCH 04 of 30] clear compound mapping Andrea Arcangeli
2010-01-21 17:43   ` Dave Hansen
2010-01-23 17:55     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-01-21  6:20 ` [PATCH 05 of 30] add native_set_pmd_at Andrea Arcangeli
2010-01-21  6:20 ` [PATCH 06 of 30] add pmd paravirt ops Andrea Arcangeli
2010-01-21  6:20 ` [PATCH 07 of 30] no paravirt version of pmd ops Andrea Arcangeli
2010-01-21  6:20 ` [PATCH 08 of 30] export maybe_mkwrite Andrea Arcangeli
2010-01-21  6:20 ` [PATCH 09 of 30] comment reminder in destroy_compound_page Andrea Arcangeli
2010-01-21  6:20 ` [PATCH 10 of 30] config_transparent_hugepage Andrea Arcangeli
2010-01-21  6:20 ` [PATCH 11 of 30] add pmd mangling functions to x86 Andrea Arcangeli
2010-01-21 17:47   ` Dave Hansen
2010-01-21 19:14     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-01-21  6:20 ` [PATCH 12 of 30] add pmd mangling generic functions Andrea Arcangeli
2010-01-21  6:20 ` [PATCH 13 of 30] special pmd_trans_* functions Andrea Arcangeli
2010-01-21  6:20 ` [PATCH 14 of 30] bail out gup_fast on splitting pmd Andrea Arcangeli
2010-01-21  6:20 ` [PATCH 15 of 30] pte alloc trans splitting Andrea Arcangeli
2010-01-21  6:20 ` [PATCH 16 of 30] add pmd mmu_notifier helpers Andrea Arcangeli
2010-01-21  6:20 ` [PATCH 17 of 30] clear page compound Andrea Arcangeli
2010-01-21  6:20 ` [PATCH 18 of 30] add pmd_huge_pte to mm_struct Andrea Arcangeli
2010-01-21  6:20 ` [PATCH 19 of 30] ensure mapcount is taken on head pages Andrea Arcangeli
2010-01-21  6:20 ` [PATCH 20 of 30] split_huge_page_mm/vma Andrea Arcangeli
2010-01-21  6:20 ` [PATCH 21 of 30] split_huge_page paging Andrea Arcangeli
2010-01-21  6:20 ` [PATCH 22 of 30] pmd_trans_huge migrate bugcheck Andrea Arcangeli
2010-01-21 20:40   ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-21 23:01     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-01-21 23:17       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-01-21  6:20 ` [PATCH 23 of 30] clear_copy_huge_page Andrea Arcangeli
2010-01-21  6:20 ` [PATCH 24 of 30] kvm mmu transparent hugepage support Andrea Arcangeli
2010-01-21  6:20 ` [PATCH 25 of 30] transparent hugepage core Andrea Arcangeli
2010-01-21  6:20 ` [PATCH 26 of 30] madvise(MADV_HUGEPAGE) Andrea Arcangeli
2010-01-21  6:20 ` [PATCH 27 of 30] memcg compound Andrea Arcangeli
2010-01-21  7:07   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-01-21 15:44     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-01-21 23:55       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-01-21  6:20 ` [PATCH 28 of 30] memcg huge memory Andrea Arcangeli
2010-01-21  7:16   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-01-21 16:08     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-01-22  0:13       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-01-27 11:27         ` Balbir Singh
2010-01-28  0:50           ` Daisuke Nishimura
2010-01-28 11:39           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-01-28 12:23             ` Balbir Singh
2010-01-28 12:36               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-01-21  6:20 ` [PATCH 29 of 30] transparent hugepage vmstat Andrea Arcangeli
2010-01-21  6:20 ` [PATCH 30 of 30] khugepaged Andrea Arcangeli
2010-01-22 14:46 ` [PATCH 00 of 30] Transparent Hugepage support #3 Christoph Lameter
2010-01-22 15:19   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-01-22 16:51     ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-23 17:58       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-01-25 21:50         ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-25 22:46           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-01-26 15:47             ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-26 16:11               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-01-26 16:30                 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-26 16:45                   ` Andrea Arcangeli [this message]
2010-01-26 18:23                     ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-26 17:09                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-26  0:52           ` Rik van Riel
2010-01-26  6:53             ` Gleb Natapov
2010-01-26 12:35               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-01-26 15:55                 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-26 16:19                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-01-26 15:54             ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-26 16:16               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-01-26 16:24                 ` Andi Kleen
2010-01-26 16:37                 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-26 16:42                 ` Mel Gorman
2010-01-26 16:52                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-01-26 17:26                     ` Mel Gorman
2010-01-26 19:46                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-01-26 23:07               ` Rik van Riel
2010-01-27 18:33                 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-01-26 11:24 ` Mel Gorman

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