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From: Robin Holt <holt@sgi.com>
To: Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>
Cc: Robin Holt <holt@sgi.com>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Jack Steiner <steiner@sgi.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [RFP-V2 0/3] Make mmu_notifier_invalidate_range_start able to sleep.
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 08:21:30 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100202142130.GI6616@sgi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100202141036.GL4135@random.random>

On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 03:10:36PM +0100, Andrea Arcangeli wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 07:51:41AM -0600, Robin Holt wrote:
> > I don't see the change in API with this method either.
> 
> The API change I'm referring to, is the reason that you had to patch
> virt/kvm/kvm_main.c and drivers/misc/sgi-gru/grutlbpurge.c to prevent

So the API is an mmu_notifier thing and not external.  I think
adding reference counting to the VMA  and converting the i_mmap_lock
to i_mmap_sem might have a slightly larger impact on users of kernel
headers than this proposal.

> compile failure. That isn't needed if we really make mmu notifier
> sleepable like my old patched did just fine. Except they slowed down
> the locking to achieve it... (the slowdown should be confined to
> config option) and you don't want that I guess. But if you didn't need

Your argument seems ridiculous.  Take this larger series of patches which
touches many parts of the kernel and has a runtime downside for 99% of
the user community but only when configured on and then try and argue
with the distros that they should slow all users down for our 1%.

> to return -EINVAL I think your userland would also be safer. Only

I think you missed my correction to an earlier statement.  This patcheset
does not have any data corruption or userland inconsistency.  I had mistakenly
spoken of a patchset I am working up as a lesser alternative to this one.

> problem I can see is that you would then have trouble to convince
> distro to build with the slower locking and you basically are ok to
> break userland in truncate to be sure your module will work with
> default binary distro kernel. It's a tradeoff and I'm not against it
> but it has to be well documented that this is an hack to be practical
> on binary shipped kernels.

This is no more a hack than the other long list of compromises that have
been made in the past.  Very similar to your huge page patchset which
invalidates a page by using the range callout.  NIHS is not the same as
a hack.

Robin

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  reply	other threads:[~2010-02-02 14:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20100202040145.555474000@alcatraz.americas.sgi.com>
2010-02-02  4:01 ` [RFP-V2 1/3] Have mmu_notifiers use SRCU so they may safely schedule Robin Holt
2010-02-02  4:01 ` [RFP-V2 2/3] Fix unmap_vma() bug related to mmu_notifiers Robin Holt
2010-02-02  4:01 ` [RFP-V2 3/3] Make mmu_notifier_invalidate_range_start able to sleep Robin Holt
2010-02-02  8:09 ` [RFP-V2 0/3] " Christoph Hellwig
2010-02-02 12:59   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-02-02 13:13     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-02-02 13:29       ` Robin Holt
2010-02-02 13:40         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-02-02 13:51           ` Robin Holt
2010-02-02 14:10             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-02-02 14:21               ` Robin Holt [this message]
2010-02-02 14:59                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-02-02 15:21                   ` Robin Holt
2010-02-02 16:01                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-02-02 16:39                       ` Robin Holt
2010-02-02 16:52                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-02-02 16:59                           ` Robin Holt
2010-02-02 17:31                             ` Robin Holt
2010-02-02 20:27                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-02-02 20:17                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-02-03  0:48                               ` Robin Holt
2010-02-03 17:14                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-02-03 17:18                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-02-03 19:54                                   ` Robin Holt
2010-02-02 13:23     ` Robin Holt
2010-02-02 13:35   ` Robin Holt

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