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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
Cc: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Balbir Singh <balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Lubos Lunak <l.lunak@suse.cz>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [patch 4/7 -mm] oom: badness heuristic rewrite
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 14:31:05 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100211143105.dea3861a.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1002111346050.8809@chino.kir.corp.google.com>

On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 13:51:36 -0800 (PST)
David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 11 Feb 2010, Andrew Morton wrote:
> 
> > > Changing any value that may have a tendency to be hardcoded elsewhere is 
> > > always controversial, but I think the nature of /proc/pid/oom_adj allows 
> > > us to do so for two specific reasons:
> > > 
> > >  - hardcoded values tend not the fall within a range, they tend to either
> > >    always prefer a certain task for oom kill first or disable oom killing
> > >    entirely.  The current implementation uses this as a bitshift on a
> > >    seemingly unpredictable and unscientific heuristic that is very 
> > >    difficult to predict at runtime.  This means that fewer and fewer
> > >    applications would hardcode a value of '8', for example, because its 
> > >    semantics depends entirely on RAM capacity of the system to begin with
> > >    since badness() scores are only useful when used in comparison with
> > >    other tasks.
> > 
> > You'd be amazed what dumb things applications do.  Get thee to
> > http://google.com/codesearch?hl=en&lr=&q=[^a-z]oom_adj[^a-z]&sbtn=Search
> > and start reading.  All 641 matches ;)
> > 
> > Here's one which which writes -16:
> > http://google.com/codesearch/p?hl=en#eN5TNOm7KtI/trunk/wlan/vendor/asus/eeepc/init.rc&q=[^a-z]oom_adj[^a-z]&sa=N&cd=70&ct=rc
> > 
> > Let's not change the ABI please.
> > 
> 
> Sigh, this is going to require the amount of system memory to be 
> partitioned into OOM_ADJUST_MAX, 15, chunks and that's going to be the 
> granularity at which we'll be able to either bias or discount memory usage 
> of individual tasks by: instead of being able to do this with 0.1% 
> granularity we'll now be limited to 100 / 15, or ~7%.  That's ~9GB on my 
> 128GB system just because this was originally a bitshift.  The upside is 
> that it's now linear and not exponential.

Can you add newly-named knobs (rather than modifying the existing
ones), deprecate the old ones and then massage writes to the old ones
so that they talk into the new framework?

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  reply	other threads:[~2010-02-11 22:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-02-10 16:32 [patch 0/7 -mm] oom killer rewrite David Rientjes
2010-02-10 16:32 ` [patch 1/7 -mm] oom: filter tasks not sharing the same cpuset David Rientjes
2010-02-10 17:08   ` Rik van Riel
2010-02-11 23:52   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-02-15  2:56   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-15 22:06     ` David Rientjes
2010-02-16  4:52       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-16  6:01         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-16  7:03         ` Nick Piggin
2010-02-16  8:49           ` David Rientjes
2010-02-16  9:04             ` Nick Piggin
2010-02-16  9:10               ` David Rientjes
2010-02-16  8:46         ` David Rientjes
2010-02-10 16:32 ` [patch 2/7 -mm] oom: sacrifice child with highest badness score for parent David Rientjes
2010-02-10 20:52   ` Rik van Riel
2010-02-12  0:00   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-02-12  0:15     ` David Rientjes
2010-02-13  2:49   ` Minchan Kim
2010-02-15  3:08   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-10 16:32 ` [patch 3/7 -mm] oom: select task from tasklist for mempolicy ooms David Rientjes
2010-02-10 22:47   ` Rik van Riel
2010-02-15  5:03   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-15 22:11     ` David Rientjes
2010-02-16  5:15       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-16 21:52         ` David Rientjes
2010-02-17  0:48           ` David Rientjes
2010-02-17  1:13             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-10 16:32 ` [patch 4/7 -mm] oom: badness heuristic rewrite David Rientjes
2010-02-11  4:10   ` Rik van Riel
2010-02-11  9:14     ` David Rientjes
2010-02-11 15:07       ` Nick Bowler
2010-02-11 21:01         ` David Rientjes
2010-02-11 21:43       ` Andrew Morton
2010-02-11 21:51         ` David Rientjes
2010-02-11 22:31           ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2010-02-11 22:42             ` David Rientjes
2010-02-11 23:11               ` Andrew Morton
2010-02-11 23:31                 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-11 23:37                   ` Andrew Morton
2010-02-12 13:56       ` Minchan Kim
2010-02-12 21:00         ` David Rientjes
2010-02-13  2:45           ` Minchan Kim
2010-02-15 21:54             ` David Rientjes
2010-02-16 13:14               ` Minchan Kim
2010-02-16 21:41                 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-17  7:41                   ` Minchan Kim
2010-02-17  9:23                     ` David Rientjes
2010-02-17 13:08                       ` Minchan Kim
2010-02-15  8:05   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-10 16:32 ` [patch 5/7 -mm] oom: replace sysctls with quick mode David Rientjes
2010-02-12  0:26   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-02-12  9:58     ` David Rientjes
2010-02-15  8:09   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-15 22:15     ` David Rientjes
2010-02-16  5:25       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-16  9:04         ` David Rientjes
2010-02-10 16:32 ` [patch 6/7 -mm] oom: avoid oom killer for lowmem allocations David Rientjes
2010-02-11  4:13   ` Rik van Riel
2010-02-11  9:19     ` David Rientjes
2010-02-11 14:08       ` Rik van Riel
2010-02-12  1:28   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-02-12 10:06     ` David Rientjes
2010-02-15  0:09       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-02-15 22:01         ` David Rientjes
2010-02-15  8:29   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-10 16:32 ` [patch 7/7 -mm] oom: remove unnecessary code and cleanup David Rientjes
2010-02-12  0:12   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-02-12  0:21     ` David Rientjes
2010-02-15  8:31       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-15  2:51 ` [patch 0/7 -mm] oom killer rewrite KOSAKI Motohiro

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