From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
Cc: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>,
Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
Balbir Singh <balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Lubos Lunak <l.lunak@suse.cz>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [patch 4/7 -mm] oom: badness heuristic rewrite
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 14:31:05 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100211143105.dea3861a.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1002111346050.8809@chino.kir.corp.google.com>
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 13:51:36 -0800 (PST)
David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Feb 2010, Andrew Morton wrote:
>
> > > Changing any value that may have a tendency to be hardcoded elsewhere is
> > > always controversial, but I think the nature of /proc/pid/oom_adj allows
> > > us to do so for two specific reasons:
> > >
> > > - hardcoded values tend not the fall within a range, they tend to either
> > > always prefer a certain task for oom kill first or disable oom killing
> > > entirely. The current implementation uses this as a bitshift on a
> > > seemingly unpredictable and unscientific heuristic that is very
> > > difficult to predict at runtime. This means that fewer and fewer
> > > applications would hardcode a value of '8', for example, because its
> > > semantics depends entirely on RAM capacity of the system to begin with
> > > since badness() scores are only useful when used in comparison with
> > > other tasks.
> >
> > You'd be amazed what dumb things applications do. Get thee to
> > http://google.com/codesearch?hl=en&lr=&q=[^a-z]oom_adj[^a-z]&sbtn=Search
> > and start reading. All 641 matches ;)
> >
> > Here's one which which writes -16:
> > http://google.com/codesearch/p?hl=en#eN5TNOm7KtI/trunk/wlan/vendor/asus/eeepc/init.rc&q=[^a-z]oom_adj[^a-z]&sa=N&cd=70&ct=rc
> >
> > Let's not change the ABI please.
> >
>
> Sigh, this is going to require the amount of system memory to be
> partitioned into OOM_ADJUST_MAX, 15, chunks and that's going to be the
> granularity at which we'll be able to either bias or discount memory usage
> of individual tasks by: instead of being able to do this with 0.1%
> granularity we'll now be limited to 100 / 15, or ~7%. That's ~9GB on my
> 128GB system just because this was originally a bitshift. The upside is
> that it's now linear and not exponential.
Can you add newly-named knobs (rather than modifying the existing
ones), deprecate the old ones and then massage writes to the old ones
so that they talk into the new framework?
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-02-11 22:31 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-02-10 16:32 [patch 0/7 -mm] oom killer rewrite David Rientjes
2010-02-10 16:32 ` [patch 1/7 -mm] oom: filter tasks not sharing the same cpuset David Rientjes
2010-02-10 17:08 ` Rik van Riel
2010-02-11 23:52 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-02-15 2:56 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-15 22:06 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-16 4:52 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-16 6:01 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-16 7:03 ` Nick Piggin
2010-02-16 8:49 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-16 9:04 ` Nick Piggin
2010-02-16 9:10 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-16 8:46 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-10 16:32 ` [patch 2/7 -mm] oom: sacrifice child with highest badness score for parent David Rientjes
2010-02-10 20:52 ` Rik van Riel
2010-02-12 0:00 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-02-12 0:15 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-13 2:49 ` Minchan Kim
2010-02-15 3:08 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-10 16:32 ` [patch 3/7 -mm] oom: select task from tasklist for mempolicy ooms David Rientjes
2010-02-10 22:47 ` Rik van Riel
2010-02-15 5:03 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-15 22:11 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-16 5:15 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-16 21:52 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-17 0:48 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-17 1:13 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-10 16:32 ` [patch 4/7 -mm] oom: badness heuristic rewrite David Rientjes
2010-02-11 4:10 ` Rik van Riel
2010-02-11 9:14 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-11 15:07 ` Nick Bowler
2010-02-11 21:01 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-11 21:43 ` Andrew Morton
2010-02-11 21:51 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-11 22:31 ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2010-02-11 22:42 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-11 23:11 ` Andrew Morton
2010-02-11 23:31 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-11 23:37 ` Andrew Morton
2010-02-12 13:56 ` Minchan Kim
2010-02-12 21:00 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-13 2:45 ` Minchan Kim
2010-02-15 21:54 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-16 13:14 ` Minchan Kim
2010-02-16 21:41 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-17 7:41 ` Minchan Kim
2010-02-17 9:23 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-17 13:08 ` Minchan Kim
2010-02-15 8:05 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-10 16:32 ` [patch 5/7 -mm] oom: replace sysctls with quick mode David Rientjes
2010-02-12 0:26 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-02-12 9:58 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-15 8:09 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-15 22:15 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-16 5:25 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-16 9:04 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-10 16:32 ` [patch 6/7 -mm] oom: avoid oom killer for lowmem allocations David Rientjes
2010-02-11 4:13 ` Rik van Riel
2010-02-11 9:19 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-11 14:08 ` Rik van Riel
2010-02-12 1:28 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-02-12 10:06 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-15 0:09 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-02-15 22:01 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-15 8:29 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-10 16:32 ` [patch 7/7 -mm] oom: remove unnecessary code and cleanup David Rientjes
2010-02-12 0:12 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-02-12 0:21 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-15 8:31 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-15 2:51 ` [patch 0/7 -mm] oom killer rewrite KOSAKI Motohiro
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