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From: Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>
To: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Christian Ehrhardt <ehrhardt@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>,
	Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
	Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, gregkh@novell.com,
	Corrado Zoccolo <czoccolo@gmail.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] Avoid the use of congestion_wait under zone pressure
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 14:50:29 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100324145028.GD2024@csn.ul.ie> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4BA940E7.2030308@redhat.com>

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 06:29:59PM -0400, Rik van Riel wrote:
> On 03/22/2010 07:50 PM, Mel Gorman wrote:
>
>> Test scenario
>> =============
>> X86-64 machine 1 socket 4 cores
>> 4 consumer-grade disks connected as RAID-0 - software raid. RAID controller
>> 	on-board and a piece of crap, and a decent RAID card could blow
>> 	the budget.
>> Booted mem=256 to ensure it is fully IO-bound and match closer to what
>> 	Christian was doing
>
> With that many disks, you can easily have dozens of megabytes
> of data in flight to the disk at once.  That is a major
> fraction of memory.
>

That is easily possible. Note, I'm not maintaining this workload configuration
is a good idea.

The background to this problem is Christian running a disk-intensive iozone
workload over many CPUs and disks with limited memory. It's already known
that if he added a small amount of extra memory, the problem went away.
The problem was a massive throughput regression and a bisect pinpointed
two patches (both mine) but neither make sense. One altered the order pages
come back from lists but not availability and his hardware does no automatic
merging. A second does alter the availility of pages via the per-cpu lists
but reverting the behaviour didn't help.

The first fix to this was to replace congestion_wait with a waitqueue
that woke up processes if the watermarks were met. This fixed
Christian's problem but Andrew wants to pin the underlying cause.

I strongly suspect that evict-once behaves sensibly when memory is ample
but in this particular case, it's not helping.

> In fact, you might have all of the inactive file pages under
> IO...
>

Possibly. The tests have a write and a read phase but I wasn't
collecting the data with sufficient granularity to see which of the
tests are actually stalling.

>> 3. Page reclaim evict-once logic from 56e49d21 hurts really badly
>> 	fix title: revertevict
>> 	fixed in mainline? no
>> 	affects: 2.6.31 to now
>>
>> 	For reasons that are not immediately obvious, the evict-once patches
>> 	*really* hurt the time spent on congestion and the number of pages
>> 	reclaimed. Rik, I'm afaid I'm punting this to you for explanation
>> 	because clearly you tested this for AIM7 and might have some
>> 	theories. For the purposes of testing, I just reverted the changes.
>
> The patch helped IO tests with reasonable amounts of memory
> available, because the VM can cache frequently used data
> much more effectively.
>
> This comes at the cost of caching less recently accessed
> use-once data, which should not be an issue since the data
> is only used once...
>

Indeed. With or without evict-once, I'd have an expectation of all the
pages being recycled anyway because of the amount of data involved.

>> Rik, any theory on evict-once?
>
> No real theories yet, just the observation that your revert
> appears to be buggy (see below) and the possibility that your
> test may have all of the inactive file pages under IO...
>

Bah. I had the initial revert right and screwed up reverting from
2.6.32.10 on. I'm rerunning the tests. Is this right?

-       if (is_active_lru(lru)) {
-               if (inactive_list_is_low(zone, sc, file))
-                   shrink_active_list(nr_to_scan, zone, sc, priority, file);
+       if (is_active_lru(lru)) {
+               shrink_active_list(nr_to_scan, zone, sc, priority, file);
                return 0;


> Can you reproduce the stall if you lower the dirty limits?
>

I'm rerunning the revertevict patches at the moment. When they complete,
I'll experiment with dirty limits. Any suggested values or will I just
increase it by some arbitrary amount and see what falls out? e.g.
increse dirty_ratio to 80.

>>   static unsigned long shrink_list(enum lru_list lru, unsigned long nr_to_scan,
>>   	struct zone *zone, struct scan_control *sc, int priority)
>>   {
>>   	int file = is_file_lru(lru);
>>
>> -	if (is_active_lru(lru)) {
>> -		if (inactive_list_is_low(zone, sc, file))
>> -		    shrink_active_list(nr_to_scan, zone, sc, priority, file);
>> +	if (lru == LRU_ACTIVE_FILE) {
>> +		shrink_active_list(nr_to_scan, zone, sc, priority, file);
>>   		return 0;
>>   	}
>
> Your revert is buggy.  With this change, anonymous pages will
> never get deactivated via shrink_list.
>

/me slaps self

-- 
Mel Gorman
Part-time Phd Student                          Linux Technology Center
University of Limerick                         IBM Dublin Software Lab

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  reply	other threads:[~2010-03-24 14:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-03-08 11:48 [RFC PATCH 0/3] Avoid the use of congestion_wait under zone pressure Mel Gorman
2010-03-08 11:48 ` [PATCH 1/3] page-allocator: Under memory pressure, wait on pressure to relieve instead of congestion Mel Gorman
2010-03-09 13:35   ` Nick Piggin
2010-03-09 14:17     ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-09 15:03       ` Nick Piggin
2010-03-09 15:42         ` Christian Ehrhardt
2010-03-09 18:22           ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-10  2:38             ` Nick Piggin
2010-03-09 17:35         ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-10  2:35           ` Nick Piggin
2010-03-09 15:50   ` Christoph Lameter
2010-03-09 15:56     ` Christian Ehrhardt
2010-03-09 16:09       ` Christoph Lameter
2010-03-09 17:01         ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-09 17:11           ` Christoph Lameter
2010-03-09 17:30             ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-08 11:48 ` [PATCH 2/3] page-allocator: Check zone pressure when batch of pages are freed Mel Gorman
2010-03-09  9:53   ` Nick Piggin
2010-03-09 10:08     ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-09 10:23       ` Nick Piggin
2010-03-09 10:36         ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-09 11:11           ` Nick Piggin
2010-03-09 11:29             ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-08 11:48 ` [PATCH 3/3] vmscan: Put kswapd to sleep on its own waitqueue, not congestion Mel Gorman
2010-03-09 10:00   ` Nick Piggin
2010-03-09 10:21     ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-09 10:32       ` Nick Piggin
2010-03-11 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH 0/3] Avoid the use of congestion_wait under zone pressure Andrew Morton
2010-03-12  6:39   ` Christian Ehrhardt
2010-03-12  7:05     ` Andrew Morton
2010-03-12 10:47       ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-12 12:15         ` Christian Ehrhardt
2010-03-12 14:37           ` Andrew Morton
2010-03-15 12:29             ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-15 14:45               ` Christian Ehrhardt
2010-03-15 12:34             ` Christian Ehrhardt
2010-03-15 20:09               ` Andrew Morton
2010-03-16 10:11                 ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-18 17:42                 ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-22 23:50                 ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-23 14:35                   ` Christian Ehrhardt
2010-03-23 21:35                   ` Corrado Zoccolo
2010-03-24 11:48                     ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-24 12:56                       ` Corrado Zoccolo
2010-03-23 22:29                   ` Rik van Riel
2010-03-24 14:50                     ` Mel Gorman [this message]
2010-04-19 12:22                       ` Christian Ehrhardt
2010-04-19 21:44                         ` Johannes Weiner
2010-04-20  7:20                           ` Christian Ehrhardt
2010-04-20  8:54                             ` Christian Ehrhardt
2010-04-20 15:32                             ` Johannes Weiner
2010-04-20 17:22                               ` Rik van Riel
2010-04-21  4:23                                 ` Christian Ehrhardt
2010-04-21  7:35                                   ` Christian Ehrhardt
2010-04-21 13:19                                     ` Rik van Riel
2010-04-22  6:21                                       ` Christian Ehrhardt
2010-04-26 10:59                                         ` Subject: [PATCH][RFC] mm: make working set portion that is protected tunable v2 Christian Ehrhardt
2010-04-26 11:59                                           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-04-26 12:43                                             ` Christian Ehrhardt
2010-04-26 14:20                                               ` Rik van Riel
2010-04-27 14:00                                                 ` Christian Ehrhardt
2010-04-21  9:03                                   ` [RFC PATCH 0/3] Avoid the use of congestion_wait under zone pressure Johannes Weiner
2010-04-21 13:20                                   ` Rik van Riel
2010-04-20 14:40                           ` Rik van Riel
2010-03-24  2:38                   ` Greg KH
2010-03-24 11:49                     ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-24 13:13                   ` Johannes Weiner
2010-03-12  9:09   ` Mel Gorman

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