From: Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>
To: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
Christoph Lameter <cl@linux-foundation.org>,
Adam Litke <agl@us.ibm.com>, Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 06/11] Export fragmentation index via /proc/extfrag_index
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 14:11:42 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100325141142.GS2024@csn.ul.ie> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100325200919.6C8F.A69D9226@jp.fujitsu.com>
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 08:20:04PM +0900, KOSAKI Motohiro wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:47:17AM +0900, KOSAKI Motohiro wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 09:22:04AM +0900, KOSAKI Motohiro wrote:
> > > > > > > > + /*
> > > > > > > > + * Index is between 0 and 1 so return within 3 decimal places
> > > > > > > > + *
> > > > > > > > + * 0 => allocation would fail due to lack of memory
> > > > > > > > + * 1 => allocation would fail due to fragmentation
> > > > > > > > + */
> > > > > > > > + return 1000 - ( (1000+(info->free_pages * 1000 / requested)) / info->free_blocks_total);
> > > > > > > > +}
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dumb question.
> > > > > > > your paper (http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1375634.1375641) says
> > > > > > > fragmentation_index = 1 - (TotalFree/SizeRequested)/BlocksFree
> > > > > > > but your code have extra '1000+'. Why?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > To get an approximation to three decimal places.
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you mean this is poor man's round up logic?
> > > >
> > > > Not exactly.
> > > >
> > > > The intention is to have a value of 968 instead of 0.968231. i.e.
> > > > instead of a value between 0 and 1, it'll be a value between 0 and 1000
> > > > that matches the first three digits after the decimal place.
> > >
> > > Let's consider extream case.
> > >
> > > free_pages: 1
> > > requested: 1
> > > free_blocks_total: 1
> > >
> > > frag_index = 1000 - ((1000 + 1*1000/1))/1 = -1000
> > >
> > > This is not your intension, I guess.
> >
> > Why not?
> >
> > See this comment
> >
> > /* Fragmentation index only makes sense when a request would fail */
> >
> > In your example, there is a free page of the requested size so the allocation
> > would succeed. In this case, fragmentation index does indeed go negative
> > but the value is not useful.
> >
> > > Probably we don't need any round_up/round_down logic. because fragmentation_index
> > > is only used "if (fragindex >= 0 && fragindex <= 500)" check in try_to_compact_pages().
> > > +1 or -1 inaccurate can be ignored. iow, I think we can remove '1000+' expression.
> > >
> >
> > This isn't about rounding, it's about having a value that normally is
> > between 0 and 1 expressed as a number between 0 and 1000 because we
> > can't use double in the kernel.
>
> Sorry, My example was wrong. new example is here.
>
> free_pages: 4
> requested: 2
> free_blocks_total: 4
>
> theory: 1 - (TotalFree/SizeRequested)/BlocksFree
> = 1 - (4/2)/4 = 0.5
>
> code : 1000 - ((1000 + 4*1000/2))/4 = 1000 - (1000 + 2000)/4 = 1000/4 = 250
>
> I don't think this is three decimal picking up code. This seems might makes
> lots compaction invocation rather than theory.
>
Ok, I cannot apologise for this enough.
Since that paper was published, further work showed that the equation could
be much improved. As part of that, I updated the equation to the following;
double index = 1 - ( (1 + ((double)info->free_pages / requested)) / info->free_blocks_total);
or when approximated to three decimal places
int index = 1000 - ( (1000 + ( info->free_pages * 1000 / requested)) / info->free_blocks_total);
Your analysis of the paper is perfect. When slotted into a driver program
with your example figures, I get the following results
old equation = 0.500000
current equation = 0.250000
integer approximation = 250
The code as-is is correct and is what I intended. My explanation on the
other hand sucks and I should have remembered that I updated equation since
I published that paper 2 years ago.
Again, I am extremely sorry for misleading you.
--
Mel Gorman
Part-time Phd Student Linux Technology Center
University of Limerick IBM Dublin Software Lab
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2010-03-12 16:41 [PATCH 0/11] Memory Compaction v4 Mel Gorman
2010-03-12 16:41 ` [PATCH 01/11] mm,migration: Take a reference to the anon_vma before migrating Mel Gorman
2010-03-14 15:01 ` Minchan Kim
2010-03-15 5:06 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-03-17 1:44 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-03-17 11:45 ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-17 16:38 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-03-18 11:12 ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-18 16:31 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-03-12 16:41 ` [PATCH 02/11] mm,migration: Do not try to migrate unmapped anonymous pages Mel Gorman
2010-03-15 0:28 ` Minchan Kim
2010-03-15 5:34 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-03-15 6:28 ` Minchan Kim
2010-03-15 6:44 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-03-15 7:09 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-03-15 13:48 ` Minchan Kim
2010-03-15 7:11 ` Minchan Kim
2010-03-15 11:28 ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-15 12:48 ` Minchan Kim
2010-03-15 14:21 ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-15 14:33 ` Minchan Kim
2010-03-15 23:49 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-03-17 2:12 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-03-17 3:00 ` Minchan Kim
2010-03-17 3:15 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-03-17 4:15 ` Minchan Kim
2010-03-17 4:19 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-03-17 16:41 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-03-18 0:30 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-03-17 12:07 ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-17 2:03 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-03-17 11:51 ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-18 0:48 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-03-18 11:14 ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-19 6:21 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-03-19 8:59 ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-25 2:49 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-03-25 8:32 ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-25 8:56 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-03-25 9:18 ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-25 9:02 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-03-25 9:09 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-03-25 9:08 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-03-25 9:21 ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-25 9:41 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-03-25 9:59 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-03-25 10:12 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-03-25 13:39 ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-26 3:07 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-03-26 13:49 ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-25 15:29 ` Minchan Kim
2010-03-26 0:58 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-03-26 1:39 ` Minchan Kim
2010-03-25 14:35 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-03-25 16:16 ` Minchan Kim
2010-03-12 16:41 ` [PATCH 03/11] mm: Share the anon_vma ref counts between KSM and page migration Mel Gorman
2010-03-12 17:14 ` Rik van Riel
2010-03-15 5:35 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-03-17 2:06 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-03-12 16:41 ` [PATCH 04/11] Allow CONFIG_MIGRATION to be set without CONFIG_NUMA or memory hot-remove Mel Gorman
2010-03-17 2:28 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-03-17 11:32 ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-17 16:37 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-03-17 23:56 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-03-18 11:24 ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-19 6:21 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-03-19 10:16 ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-25 3:28 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-03-12 16:41 ` [PATCH 05/11] Export unusable free space index via /proc/unusable_index Mel Gorman
2010-03-15 5:41 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-03-15 9:48 ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-17 2:42 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-03-12 16:41 ` [PATCH 06/11] Export fragmentation index via /proc/extfrag_index Mel Gorman
2010-03-17 2:49 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-03-17 11:33 ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-23 0:22 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-03-23 12:03 ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-25 2:47 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-03-25 8:47 ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-25 11:20 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-03-25 14:11 ` Mel Gorman [this message]
2010-03-26 3:10 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-03-12 16:41 ` [PATCH 07/11] Memory compaction core Mel Gorman
2010-03-15 13:44 ` Minchan Kim
2010-03-15 14:41 ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-17 10:31 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-03-17 11:40 ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-18 2:35 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-03-18 11:43 ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-19 6:21 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-03-18 17:08 ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-12 16:41 ` [PATCH 08/11] Add /proc trigger for memory compaction Mel Gorman
2010-03-17 3:18 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-03-12 16:41 ` [PATCH 09/11] Add /sys trigger for per-node " Mel Gorman
2010-03-17 3:18 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-03-12 16:41 ` [PATCH 10/11] Direct compact when a high-order allocation fails Mel Gorman
2010-03-16 2:47 ` Minchan Kim
2010-03-19 6:21 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-03-19 6:31 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-03-19 10:10 ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-25 11:22 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-03-19 10:09 ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-25 11:08 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-03-25 15:11 ` Mel Gorman
2010-03-26 6:01 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-03-12 16:41 ` [PATCH 11/11] Do not compact within a preferred zone after a compaction failure Mel Gorman
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2010-03-23 12:25 [PATCH 0/11] Memory Compaction v5 Mel Gorman
2010-03-23 12:25 ` [PATCH 06/11] Export fragmentation index via /proc/extfrag_index Mel Gorman
2010-03-23 17:37 ` Christoph Lameter
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