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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>
Cc: Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux-foundation.org>,
	Adam Litke <agl@us.ibm.com>, Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 13/14] Do not compact within a preferred zone after a compaction failure
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 17:06:16 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100406170616.7d0f24b1.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1270224168-14775-14-git-send-email-mel@csn.ul.ie>

On Fri,  2 Apr 2010 17:02:47 +0100
Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie> wrote:

> The fragmentation index may indicate that a failure is due to external
> fragmentation but after a compaction run completes, it is still possible
> for an allocation to fail. There are two obvious reasons as to why
> 
>   o Page migration cannot move all pages so fragmentation remains
>   o A suitable page may exist but watermarks are not met
> 
> In the event of compaction followed by an allocation failure, this patch
> defers further compaction in the zone for a period of time. The zone that
> is deferred is the first zone in the zonelist - i.e. the preferred zone.
> To defer compaction in the other zones, the information would need to be
> stored in the zonelist or implemented similar to the zonelist_cache.
> This would impact the fast-paths and is not justified at this time.
> 

Your patch, it sucks!

> ---
>  include/linux/compaction.h |   35 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>  include/linux/mmzone.h     |    7 +++++++
>  mm/page_alloc.c            |    5 ++++-
>  3 files changed, 46 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-)
> 
> diff --git a/include/linux/compaction.h b/include/linux/compaction.h
> index ae98afc..2a02719 100644
> --- a/include/linux/compaction.h
> +++ b/include/linux/compaction.h
> @@ -18,6 +18,32 @@ extern int sysctl_extfrag_handler(struct ctl_table *table, int write,
>  extern int fragmentation_index(struct zone *zone, unsigned int order);
>  extern unsigned long try_to_compact_pages(struct zonelist *zonelist,
>  			int order, gfp_t gfp_mask, nodemask_t *mask);
> +
> +/* defer_compaction - Do not compact within a zone until a given time */
> +static inline void defer_compaction(struct zone *zone, unsigned long resume)
> +{
> +	/*
> +	 * This function is called when compaction fails to result in a page
> +	 * allocation success. This is somewhat unsatisfactory as the failure
> +	 * to compact has nothing to do with time and everything to do with
> +	 * the requested order, the number of free pages and watermarks. How
> +	 * to wait on that is more unclear, but the answer would apply to
> +	 * other areas where the VM waits based on time.
> +	 */

c'mon, let's not make this rod for our backs.

The "A suitable page may exist but watermarks are not met" case can be
addressed by testing the watermarks up-front, surely?

I bet the "Page migration cannot move all pages so fragmentation
remains" case can be addressed by setting some metric in the zone, and
suitably modifying that as a result on ongoing activity.  To tell the
zone "hey, compaction migth be worth trying now".  that sucks too, but not
so much.

Or something.  Putting a wallclock-based throttle on it like this
really does reduce the usefulness of the whole feature.

Internet: "My application works OK on a hard disk but fails when I use an SSD!". 

akpm: "Tell Mel!"

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  reply	other threads:[~2010-04-07  0:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-04-02 16:02 [PATCH 0/14] Memory Compaction v7 Mel Gorman
2010-04-02 16:02 ` [PATCH 01/14] mm,migration: Take a reference to the anon_vma before migrating Mel Gorman
2010-04-07  0:05   ` Andrew Morton
2010-04-07  9:56     ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-02 16:02 ` [PATCH 02/14] mm,migration: Do not try to migrate unmapped anonymous pages Mel Gorman
2010-04-02 16:02 ` [PATCH 03/14] mm: Share the anon_vma ref counts between KSM and page migration Mel Gorman
2010-04-07  0:05   ` Andrew Morton
2010-04-07  0:10     ` Rik van Riel
2010-04-07 10:01     ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-02 16:02 ` [PATCH 04/14] Allow CONFIG_MIGRATION to be set without CONFIG_NUMA or memory hot-remove Mel Gorman
2010-04-07  0:05   ` Andrew Morton
2010-04-07 10:22     ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-02 16:02 ` [PATCH 05/14] Export unusable free space index via /proc/unusable_index Mel Gorman
2010-04-07  0:05   ` Andrew Morton
2010-04-07 10:35     ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-13 12:42     ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-02 16:02 ` [PATCH 06/14] Export fragmentation index via /proc/extfrag_index Mel Gorman
2010-04-07  0:05   ` Andrew Morton
2010-04-07 10:46     ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-13 12:43     ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-02 16:02 ` [PATCH 07/14] Move definition for LRU isolation modes to a header Mel Gorman
2010-04-02 16:02 ` [PATCH 08/14] Memory compaction core Mel Gorman
2010-04-07  0:05   ` Andrew Morton
2010-04-07 15:21     ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-08 16:59   ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-08 17:06     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-04-02 16:02 ` [PATCH 09/14] Add /proc trigger for memory compaction Mel Gorman
2010-04-07  0:05   ` Andrew Morton
2010-04-07 15:39     ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-07 18:27       ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-02 16:02 ` [PATCH 10/14] Add /sys trigger for per-node " Mel Gorman
2010-04-07  0:05   ` Andrew Morton
2010-04-07  0:31     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-04-06 21:56       ` Andrew Morton
2010-04-07  1:19         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-04-07 15:42     ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-02 16:02 ` [PATCH 11/14] Direct compact when a high-order allocation fails Mel Gorman
2010-04-07  0:06   ` Andrew Morton
2010-04-07 16:06     ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-07 18:29     ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-02 16:02 ` [PATCH 12/14] Add a tunable that decides when memory should be compacted and when it should be reclaimed Mel Gorman
2010-04-07  0:06   ` Andrew Morton
2010-04-07 16:11     ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-02 16:02 ` [PATCH 13/14] Do not compact within a preferred zone after a compaction failure Mel Gorman
2010-04-07  0:06   ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2010-04-07  0:55     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-04-07 16:32     ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-02 16:02 ` [PATCH 14/14] mm,migration: Allow the migration of PageSwapCache pages Mel Gorman
2010-04-06  6:54   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-04-06 15:37   ` Minchan Kim
2010-04-07  0:06   ` Andrew Morton
2010-04-07 16:49     ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-06 14:47 ` [PATCH 0/14] Memory Compaction v7 Tarkan Erimer
2010-04-06 15:00   ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-06 15:03     ` Tarkan Erimer
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-03-30  9:14 [PATCH 0/14] Memory Compaction v6 Mel Gorman
2010-03-30  9:14 ` [PATCH 13/14] Do not compact within a preferred zone after a compaction failure Mel Gorman

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