From: Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
Christoph Lameter <cl@linux-foundation.org>,
Adam Litke <agl@us.ibm.com>, Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>,
KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 06/14] Export fragmentation index via /proc/extfrag_index
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 11:46:32 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100407104632.GP17882@csn.ul.ie> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100406170542.fe9b9f33.akpm@linux-foundation.org>
On Tue, Apr 06, 2010 at 05:05:42PM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Apr 2010 17:02:40 +0100
> Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie> wrote:
>
> > Fragmentation index is a value that makes sense when an allocation of a
> > given size would fail. The index indicates whether an allocation failure is
> > due to a lack of memory (values towards 0) or due to external fragmentation
> > (value towards 1). For the most part, the huge page size will be the size
> > of interest but not necessarily so it is exported on a per-order and per-zone
> > basis via /proc/extfrag_index
>
> (/proc/sys/vm?)
>
It can move.
> Like unusable_index, this seems awfully specialised.
Except in this case, the fragmentation index is used by the kernel when
deciding in advance whether compaction will do the job or if lumpy
reclaim is required.
I could avoid exposing this to userspace but it would make it harder to
decide what needs to happen with extfrag_threshold later. i.e. does the
threshold need a different value (proc would help gather the data) or
is a new heuristic needed.
> Perhaps we could
> hide it under CONFIG_MEL, or even put it in debugfs with the intention
> of removing it in 6 or 12 months time. Either way, it's hard to
> justify permanently adding this stuff to every kernel in the world?
>
Moving it to debugfs would satisfy the requirement of tuning extfrag_threshold
without adding it to every kernel but it could also be just removed.
>
> I have a suspicion that all the info in unusable_index and
> extfrag_index could be computed from userspace using /proc/kpageflags
It can be computed from buddyinfo. I used a perl script to calculate it
in the past. I exposed the information from in-kernel in these patches so
people would be guaranteed to have the same information as me.
> (and perhaps a bit of dmesg-diddling to find the zones).
Can be figured out from buddyinfo too.
> If that can't
> be done today, I bet it'd be pretty easy to arrange for it.
>
It is. Will I just remove the proc files, keep the internal calculation
for fragmentation_index and kick that perl script into shape to produce
the same information from buddyinfo?
--
Mel Gorman
Part-time Phd Student Linux Technology Center
University of Limerick IBM Dublin Software Lab
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Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-04-02 16:02 [PATCH 0/14] Memory Compaction v7 Mel Gorman
2010-04-02 16:02 ` [PATCH 01/14] mm,migration: Take a reference to the anon_vma before migrating Mel Gorman
2010-04-07 0:05 ` Andrew Morton
2010-04-07 9:56 ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-02 16:02 ` [PATCH 02/14] mm,migration: Do not try to migrate unmapped anonymous pages Mel Gorman
2010-04-02 16:02 ` [PATCH 03/14] mm: Share the anon_vma ref counts between KSM and page migration Mel Gorman
2010-04-07 0:05 ` Andrew Morton
2010-04-07 0:10 ` Rik van Riel
2010-04-07 10:01 ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-02 16:02 ` [PATCH 04/14] Allow CONFIG_MIGRATION to be set without CONFIG_NUMA or memory hot-remove Mel Gorman
2010-04-07 0:05 ` Andrew Morton
2010-04-07 10:22 ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-02 16:02 ` [PATCH 05/14] Export unusable free space index via /proc/unusable_index Mel Gorman
2010-04-07 0:05 ` Andrew Morton
2010-04-07 10:35 ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-13 12:42 ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-02 16:02 ` [PATCH 06/14] Export fragmentation index via /proc/extfrag_index Mel Gorman
2010-04-07 0:05 ` Andrew Morton
2010-04-07 10:46 ` Mel Gorman [this message]
2010-04-13 12:43 ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-02 16:02 ` [PATCH 07/14] Move definition for LRU isolation modes to a header Mel Gorman
2010-04-02 16:02 ` [PATCH 08/14] Memory compaction core Mel Gorman
2010-04-07 0:05 ` Andrew Morton
2010-04-07 15:21 ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-08 16:59 ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-08 17:06 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-04-02 16:02 ` [PATCH 09/14] Add /proc trigger for memory compaction Mel Gorman
2010-04-07 0:05 ` Andrew Morton
2010-04-07 15:39 ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-07 18:27 ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-02 16:02 ` [PATCH 10/14] Add /sys trigger for per-node " Mel Gorman
2010-04-07 0:05 ` Andrew Morton
2010-04-07 0:31 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-04-06 21:56 ` Andrew Morton
2010-04-07 1:19 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-04-07 15:42 ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-02 16:02 ` [PATCH 11/14] Direct compact when a high-order allocation fails Mel Gorman
2010-04-07 0:06 ` Andrew Morton
2010-04-07 16:06 ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-07 18:29 ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-02 16:02 ` [PATCH 12/14] Add a tunable that decides when memory should be compacted and when it should be reclaimed Mel Gorman
2010-04-07 0:06 ` Andrew Morton
2010-04-07 16:11 ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-02 16:02 ` [PATCH 13/14] Do not compact within a preferred zone after a compaction failure Mel Gorman
2010-04-07 0:06 ` Andrew Morton
2010-04-07 0:55 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-04-07 16:32 ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-02 16:02 ` [PATCH 14/14] mm,migration: Allow the migration of PageSwapCache pages Mel Gorman
2010-04-06 6:54 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-04-06 15:37 ` Minchan Kim
2010-04-07 0:06 ` Andrew Morton
2010-04-07 16:49 ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-06 14:47 ` [PATCH 0/14] Memory Compaction v7 Tarkan Erimer
2010-04-06 15:00 ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-06 15:03 ` Tarkan Erimer
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-03-30 9:14 [PATCH 0/14] Memory Compaction v6 Mel Gorman
2010-03-30 9:14 ` [PATCH 06/14] Export fragmentation index via /proc/extfrag_index Mel Gorman
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