From: Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
Christoph Lameter <cl@linux-foundation.org>,
Adam Litke <agl@us.ibm.com>, Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>,
KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 12/14] Add a tunable that decides when memory should be compacted and when it should be reclaimed
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 17:11:43 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100407161143.GU17882@csn.ul.ie> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100406170613.9b80c7ea.akpm@linux-foundation.org>
On Tue, Apr 06, 2010 at 05:06:13PM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Apr 2010 17:02:46 +0100
> Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie> wrote:
>
> > The kernel applies some heuristics when deciding if memory should be
> > compacted or reclaimed to satisfy a high-order allocation. One of these
> > is based on the fragmentation. If the index is below 500, memory will
> > not be compacted. This choice is arbitrary and not based on data. To
> > help optimise the system and set a sensible default for this value, this
> > patch adds a sysctl extfrag_threshold. The kernel will only compact
> > memory if the fragmentation index is above the extfrag_threshold.
>
> Was this the most robust, reliable, no-2am-phone-calls thing we could
> have done?
>
> What about, say, just doing a bit of both until something worked?
I guess you could but that is not a million miles away from what
currently happens.
This heuristic is basically "based on free memory layout, how likely is
compaction to succeed?". It makes a decision based on that. A later
patch then checks if the guess was right. If not, just try direct
reclaim for a bit before trying compaction again.
> For
> extra smarts we could remember what worked best last time, and make
> ourselves more likely to try that next time.
>
With the later patch, this is essentially what we do. Granted we
remember the opposite "If the kernel guesses wrong, then don't compact
for a short while before trying again".
> Or whatever, but extfrag_threshold must die! And replacing it with a
> hardwired constant doesn't count ;)
>
I think what you have in mind is "just try compaction every time" but my
concern about that is we'll hit a corner case where a lot of CPU time is
taken scanning zones uselessly. That is what this heuristic and the
back-off logic in a later patch was meant to avoid. I haven't thought of
a better alternative :/
--
Mel Gorman
Part-time Phd Student Linux Technology Center
University of Limerick IBM Dublin Software Lab
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Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-04-02 16:02 [PATCH 0/14] Memory Compaction v7 Mel Gorman
2010-04-02 16:02 ` [PATCH 01/14] mm,migration: Take a reference to the anon_vma before migrating Mel Gorman
2010-04-07 0:05 ` Andrew Morton
2010-04-07 9:56 ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-02 16:02 ` [PATCH 02/14] mm,migration: Do not try to migrate unmapped anonymous pages Mel Gorman
2010-04-02 16:02 ` [PATCH 03/14] mm: Share the anon_vma ref counts between KSM and page migration Mel Gorman
2010-04-07 0:05 ` Andrew Morton
2010-04-07 0:10 ` Rik van Riel
2010-04-07 10:01 ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-02 16:02 ` [PATCH 04/14] Allow CONFIG_MIGRATION to be set without CONFIG_NUMA or memory hot-remove Mel Gorman
2010-04-07 0:05 ` Andrew Morton
2010-04-07 10:22 ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-02 16:02 ` [PATCH 05/14] Export unusable free space index via /proc/unusable_index Mel Gorman
2010-04-07 0:05 ` Andrew Morton
2010-04-07 10:35 ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-13 12:42 ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-02 16:02 ` [PATCH 06/14] Export fragmentation index via /proc/extfrag_index Mel Gorman
2010-04-07 0:05 ` Andrew Morton
2010-04-07 10:46 ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-13 12:43 ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-02 16:02 ` [PATCH 07/14] Move definition for LRU isolation modes to a header Mel Gorman
2010-04-02 16:02 ` [PATCH 08/14] Memory compaction core Mel Gorman
2010-04-07 0:05 ` Andrew Morton
2010-04-07 15:21 ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-08 16:59 ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-08 17:06 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-04-02 16:02 ` [PATCH 09/14] Add /proc trigger for memory compaction Mel Gorman
2010-04-07 0:05 ` Andrew Morton
2010-04-07 15:39 ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-07 18:27 ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-02 16:02 ` [PATCH 10/14] Add /sys trigger for per-node " Mel Gorman
2010-04-07 0:05 ` Andrew Morton
2010-04-07 0:31 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-04-06 21:56 ` Andrew Morton
2010-04-07 1:19 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-04-07 15:42 ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-02 16:02 ` [PATCH 11/14] Direct compact when a high-order allocation fails Mel Gorman
2010-04-07 0:06 ` Andrew Morton
2010-04-07 16:06 ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-07 18:29 ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-02 16:02 ` [PATCH 12/14] Add a tunable that decides when memory should be compacted and when it should be reclaimed Mel Gorman
2010-04-07 0:06 ` Andrew Morton
2010-04-07 16:11 ` Mel Gorman [this message]
2010-04-02 16:02 ` [PATCH 13/14] Do not compact within a preferred zone after a compaction failure Mel Gorman
2010-04-07 0:06 ` Andrew Morton
2010-04-07 0:55 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-04-07 16:32 ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-02 16:02 ` [PATCH 14/14] mm,migration: Allow the migration of PageSwapCache pages Mel Gorman
2010-04-06 6:54 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-04-06 15:37 ` Minchan Kim
2010-04-07 0:06 ` Andrew Morton
2010-04-07 16:49 ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-06 14:47 ` [PATCH 0/14] Memory Compaction v7 Tarkan Erimer
2010-04-06 15:00 ` Mel Gorman
2010-04-06 15:03 ` Tarkan Erimer
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-03-30 9:14 [PATCH 0/14] Memory Compaction v6 Mel Gorman
2010-03-30 9:14 ` [PATCH 12/14] Add a tunable that decides when memory should be compacted and when it should be reclaimed Mel Gorman
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