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From: Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] mm,migration: Prevent rmap_walk_[anon|ksm] seeing the wrong VMA information
Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 16:54:54 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100505155454.GT20979@csn.ul.ie> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1005050815060.5478@i5.linux-foundation.org>

On Wed, May 05, 2010 at 08:31:42AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> 
> 
> On Wed, 5 May 2010, Mel Gorman wrote:
> > 
> > rmap_walk() appears to be the only one that takes multiple locks but it itself
> > is not serialised. If there are more than one process calling rmap_walk()
> > on different processes sharing the same VMAs, is there a guarantee they walk
> > it in the same order?
> 
> So I had this notion of the list always getting deeper and us guaranteeing 
> the order in it, but you're right - that's not the 'same_anon_vma' list, 
> it's the 'same_vma' one.
> 
> Damn. So yeah, I don't see us guaranteeing any ordering guarantees. My 
> bad.
> 
> That said, I do wonder if we could _make_ the ordering reliable.

I'm still thinking of the ordering but one possibility would be to use a mutex
similar to mm_all_locks_mutex to force the serialisation of rmap_walk instead
of the trylock-and-retry. That way, the ordering wouldn't matter. It would
slow migration if multiple processes are migrating pages by some unknowable
quantity but it would avoid livelocking.

> I did 
> that for the 'same_vma' one, because I wanted to be able to verify that 
> chains were consistent (and we also needed to be able to find the "oldest 
> anon_vma" for the case of re-instantiating pages that migth exist in 
> multiple different anon_vma's).
> 
> Any ideas?
> 

Not yet.

-- 
Mel Gorman
Part-time Phd Student                          Linux Technology Center
University of Limerick                         IBM Dublin Software Lab

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  reply	other threads:[~2010-05-05 15:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-05-05 13:14 [PATCH 0/2] Fix migration races in rmap_walk() V5 Mel Gorman
2010-05-05 13:14 ` [PATCH 1/2] mm,migration: Prevent rmap_walk_[anon|ksm] seeing the wrong VMA information Mel Gorman
2010-05-05 14:34   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-05-05 14:56     ` Mel Gorman
2010-05-05 15:31       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-05-05 15:54         ` Mel Gorman [this message]
2010-05-05 16:13           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-05-05 19:11             ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-05-05 19:57               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-05-21  0:27               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-05-06 10:37             ` Mel Gorman
2010-05-05 17:34           ` Linus Torvalds
2010-05-05 17:57             ` Linus Torvalds
2010-05-05 18:14             ` Mel Gorman
2010-05-05 18:34               ` Linus Torvalds
2010-05-06 11:03                 ` Mel Gorman
2010-05-06 13:40             ` Rik van Riel
2010-05-06 13:45               ` Mel Gorman
2010-05-05 17:53         ` Mel Gorman
2010-05-05 18:02           ` Linus Torvalds
2010-05-05 18:17             ` Mel Gorman
2010-05-06  0:22             ` Mel Gorman
2010-05-06  0:42               ` Linus Torvalds
2010-05-06 10:02                 ` Mel Gorman
2010-05-06 14:15                   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-05-06 14:25                     ` Mel Gorman
2010-05-06  9:47               ` Minchan Kim
2010-05-06  9:54                 ` Mel Gorman
2010-05-06 10:01                   ` Minchan Kim
2010-05-06 10:10                     ` Mel Gorman
2010-05-06 14:06                 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-05-06 15:59                   ` Minchan Kim
2010-05-06  7:38   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-05-06  9:46     ` Mel Gorman
2010-05-06 23:52       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-05-07  5:49         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-05-05 13:14 ` [PATCH 2/2] mm,migration: Fix race between shift_arg_pages and rmap_walk by guaranteeing rmap_walk finds PTEs created within the temporary stack Mel Gorman
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-05-06 15:33 [PATCH 0/2] Fix migration races in rmap_walk() V6 Mel Gorman
2010-05-06 15:33 ` [PATCH 1/2] mm,migration: Prevent rmap_walk_[anon|ksm] seeing the wrong VMA information Mel Gorman
2010-05-06 15:44   ` Rik van Riel
2010-05-06 15:51     ` Mel Gorman
2010-05-06 15:59   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-05-06 17:07     ` Mel Gorman
2010-05-06 23:20 [PATCH 0/2] Fix migration races in rmap_walk() V7 Mel Gorman
2010-05-06 23:20 ` [PATCH 1/2] mm,migration: Prevent rmap_walk_[anon|ksm] seeing the wrong VMA information Mel Gorman
2010-05-07  0:56   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-05-07 16:26     ` Mel Gorman
2010-05-08 15:39   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-05-08 17:02     ` Linus Torvalds
2010-05-08 18:04       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-05-08 19:51         ` Linus Torvalds
2010-05-09 19:23     ` Mel Gorman

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