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From: Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	Pierre Tardy <tardyp@gmail.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@redhat.com>,
	Tom Zanussi <tzanussi@gmail.com>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, arjan@infradead.org,
	ziga.mahkovec@gmail.com, davem <davem@davemloft.net>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux-foundation.org>,
	Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>, Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: Unexpected splice "always copy" behavior observed
Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 01:44:31 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100519154431.GC2516@laptop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1005190828050.23538@i5.linux-foundation.org>

On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 08:30:10AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> 
> 
> On Thu, 20 May 2010, Nick Piggin wrote:
> > 
> > Well I mean a full invalidate -- invalidate_mapping_pages -- so there is
> > literally no pagecache there at all.
> 
> Umm. That won't work. Think mapped pages. You can't handle them 
> atomically, so somebody will page-fault them in.
> 
> So you'd have to have a "invalidate_and_replace()" to do it atomically 
> while holding the mapping spinlock or something. 
> 
> And WHAT IS THE POINT? That will be about a million times slower than 
> just doing the effing copy in the first place!
> 
> Memory copies are _not_ slow. Not compared to taking locks and doing TLB 
> invalidates.

No I never thought it would be a good idea to try to avoid all races
or anything. Obviously some cases *cannot* be easily invalidated, if
there is a ref on the page or whatever, so the fallback code has to
be there anyway.

So you would just invalidate and try to insert your page. 99.something%
of the time it will work fine. If the insert fails, fall back to
copying.

And hey you *may* even want a heuristic that avoids trying to invalidate
if the page is mapped, due to cost of TLB flushing and faulting etc.

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  reply	other threads:[~2010-05-19 15:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-05-18 15:34 Unexpected splice "always copy" behavior observed Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-05-18 15:51 ` Nick Piggin
2010-05-18 15:56   ` Christoph Lameter
2010-05-18 16:00     ` Nick Piggin
2010-05-18 16:13       ` Nick Piggin
2010-05-18 15:53 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-05-18 16:10   ` Steven Rostedt
2010-05-18 16:25     ` Linus Torvalds
2010-05-19  6:31       ` Nick Piggin
2010-05-19 14:39         ` Linus Torvalds
2010-05-19 14:56           ` Steven Rostedt
2010-05-19 14:59             ` Linus Torvalds
2010-05-19 15:12               ` Steven Rostedt
2010-05-19 15:51                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-05-19 15:33               ` Miklos Szeredi
2010-05-19 15:45                 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-05-19 15:55                   ` Nick Piggin
2010-05-19 16:01                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-05-19 16:36                     ` Steven Rostedt
2010-05-19 15:57                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-05-19 16:27                     ` Nick Piggin
2010-05-19 19:14                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-05-19 19:31                         ` Linus Torvalds
2010-05-19 21:49                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-05-20  0:04                             ` Linus Torvalds
2010-05-20  1:56                               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-05-20 14:18                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-05-19 20:59               ` Rick Sherm
2010-05-19 15:17           ` Nick Piggin
2010-05-19 15:30             ` Linus Torvalds
2010-05-19 15:44               ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2010-05-19 15:28           ` Miklos Szeredi
2010-05-19 15:32             ` Linus Torvalds
2010-05-19 15:56               ` Miklos Szeredi
2010-05-19 16:01                 ` Linus Torvalds

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