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From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
To: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Cc: Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	npiggin@suse.de, peterz@infradead.org, fweisbec@gmail.com,
	tardyp@gmail.com, mingo@elte.hu, acme@redhat.com,
	tzanussi@gmail.com, paulus@samba.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, arjan@infradead.org,
	ziga.mahkovec@gmail.com, davem@davemloft.net, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com,
	cl@linux-foundation.org, tj@kernel.org, jens.axboe@oracle.com
Subject: Re: Unexpected splice "always copy" behavior observed
Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 11:57:32 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100519155732.GB2039@Krystal> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1274283942.26328.783.camel@gandalf.stny.rr.com>

* Steven Rostedt (rostedt@goodmis.org) wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-05-19 at 17:33 +0200, Miklos Szeredi wrote:
> > On Wed, 19 May 2010, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > > Btw, since you apparently have a real case - is the "splice to file" 
> > > always just an append? IOW, if I'm not right in assuming that the only 
> > > sane thing people would reasonable care about is "append to a file", then 
> > > holler now.
> > 
> > Virtual machines might reasonably need this for splicing to a disk
> > image.
> 
> This comes down to balancing speed and complexity. Perhaps a copy is
> fine in this case.
> 
> I'm concerned about high speed tracing, where we are always just taking
> pages from the trace ring buffer and appending them to a file or sending
> them off to the network. The slower this is, the more likely you will
> lose events.
> 
> If the "move only on append to file" is easy to implement, I would
> really like to see that happen. The speed of splicing a disk image for a
> virtual machine only impacts the patience of the user. The speed of
> splicing tracing output, impacts how much you can trace without losing
> events.

I'm with Steven here. I only care about appending full pages at the end of a
file. If possible, I'd also like to steal back the pages after waiting for the
writeback I/O to complete so we can put them back in the ring buffer without
stressing the page cache and the page allocator needlessly.

Thanks,

Mathieu


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Mathieu Desnoyers
Operating System Efficiency R&D Consultant
EfficiOS Inc.
http://www.efficios.com

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-05-19 15:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-05-18 15:34 Unexpected splice "always copy" behavior observed Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-05-18 15:51 ` Nick Piggin
2010-05-18 15:56   ` Christoph Lameter
2010-05-18 16:00     ` Nick Piggin
2010-05-18 16:13       ` Nick Piggin
2010-05-18 15:53 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-05-18 16:10   ` Steven Rostedt
2010-05-18 16:25     ` Linus Torvalds
2010-05-19  6:31       ` Nick Piggin
2010-05-19 14:39         ` Linus Torvalds
2010-05-19 14:56           ` Steven Rostedt
2010-05-19 14:59             ` Linus Torvalds
2010-05-19 15:12               ` Steven Rostedt
2010-05-19 15:51                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-05-19 15:33               ` Miklos Szeredi
2010-05-19 15:45                 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-05-19 15:55                   ` Nick Piggin
2010-05-19 16:01                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-05-19 16:36                     ` Steven Rostedt
2010-05-19 15:57                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers [this message]
2010-05-19 16:27                     ` Nick Piggin
2010-05-19 19:14                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-05-19 19:31                         ` Linus Torvalds
2010-05-19 21:49                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-05-20  0:04                             ` Linus Torvalds
2010-05-20  1:56                               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-05-20 14:18                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-05-19 20:59               ` Rick Sherm
2010-05-19 15:17           ` Nick Piggin
2010-05-19 15:30             ` Linus Torvalds
2010-05-19 15:44               ` Nick Piggin
2010-05-19 15:28           ` Miklos Szeredi
2010-05-19 15:32             ` Linus Torvalds
2010-05-19 15:56               ` Miklos Szeredi
2010-05-19 16:01                 ` Linus Torvalds

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