From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
Cc: Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-mm@kvack.org, Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 11/12] vmscan: Write out dirty pages in batch
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 16:21:43 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100614162143.04783749.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100614231144.GG6590@dastard>
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 09:11:44 +1000
Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 12:17:52PM +0100, Mel Gorman wrote:
> > Page reclaim cleans individual pages using a_ops->writepage() because from
> > the VM perspective, it is known that pages in a particular zone must be freed
> > soon, it considers the target page to be the oldest and it does not want
> > to wait while background flushers cleans other pages. From a filesystem
> > perspective this is extremely inefficient as it generates a very seeky
> > IO pattern leading to the perverse situation where it can take longer to
> > clean all dirty pages than it would have otherwise.
> >
> > This patch queues all dirty pages at once to maximise the chances that
> > the write requests get merged efficiently. It also makes the next patch
> > that avoids writeout from direct reclaim more straight-forward.
>
> Seeing as you have a list of pages for IO, perhaps they could be sorted
> before issuing ->writepage on them.
>
> That is, while this patch issues all the IO in one hit, it doesn't
> change the order in which the IO is issued - it is still issued in
> LRU order. Given that they are issued in a short period of time now,
> rather than across a longer scan period, it is likely that it will
> not be any faster as:
>
> a) IO will not be started as soon, and
> b) the IO scheduler still only has a small re-ordering
> window and will choke just as much on random IO patterns.
>
> However, there is a list_sort() function that could be used to sort
> the list; sorting the list of pages by mapping and page->index
> within the mapping would result in all the pages on each mapping
> being sent down in ascending offset order at once - exactly how the
> filesystems want IO to be sent to it. Perhaps this is a simple
> improvement that can be made to this code that will make a big
> difference to worst case performance.
>
> FWIW, I did this for delayed metadata buffer writeback in XFS
> recently (i.e. sort the queue of (potentially tens of thousands of)
> buffers in ascending block order before dispatch) and that showed a
> 10-15% reduction in seeks on simple kernel compile workloads. This
> shows that if we optimise IO patterns at higher layers where the
> sort window is much, much larger than in the IO scheduler, then
> overall system performance improves....
Yup.
But then, this all really should be done at the block layer so other
io-submitting-paths can benefit from it.
IOW, maybe "the sort queue is the submission queue" wasn't a good idea.
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Thread overview: 99+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-06-14 11:17 [PATCH 0/12] Avoid overflowing of stack during page reclaim V2 Mel Gorman
2010-06-14 11:17 ` [PATCH 01/12] tracing, vmscan: Add trace events for kswapd wakeup, sleeping and direct reclaim Mel Gorman
2010-06-14 15:45 ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-14 21:01 ` Larry Woodman
2010-06-14 11:17 ` [PATCH 02/12] tracing, vmscan: Add trace events for LRU page isolation Mel Gorman
2010-06-14 16:47 ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-14 21:02 ` Larry Woodman
2010-06-14 11:17 ` [PATCH 03/12] tracing, vmscan: Add trace event when a page is written Mel Gorman
2010-06-14 16:48 ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-14 21:02 ` Larry Woodman
2010-06-14 11:17 ` [PATCH 04/12] tracing, vmscan: Add a postprocessing script for reclaim-related ftrace events Mel Gorman
2010-06-14 17:55 ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-14 21:03 ` Larry Woodman
2010-06-14 11:17 ` [PATCH 05/12] vmscan: kill prev_priority completely Mel Gorman
2010-06-14 18:04 ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-16 23:37 ` Andrew Morton
2010-06-16 23:45 ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-17 0:18 ` Andrew Morton
2010-06-17 0:34 ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-25 8:29 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-06-28 10:35 ` Mel Gorman
2010-06-14 11:17 ` [PATCH 06/12] vmscan: simplify shrink_inactive_list() Mel Gorman
2010-06-14 18:06 ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-15 10:13 ` Mel Gorman
2010-06-14 11:17 ` [PATCH 07/12] vmscan: Remove unnecessary temporary vars in do_try_to_free_pages Mel Gorman
2010-06-14 18:14 ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-14 11:17 ` [PATCH 08/12] vmscan: Setup pagevec as late as possible in shrink_inactive_list() Mel Gorman
2010-06-14 18:59 ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-15 10:47 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-15 15:56 ` Mel Gorman
2010-06-16 23:43 ` Andrew Morton
2010-06-17 10:30 ` Mel Gorman
2010-06-14 11:17 ` [PATCH 09/12] vmscan: Setup pagevec as late as possible in shrink_page_list() Mel Gorman
2010-06-14 19:24 ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-16 23:48 ` Andrew Morton
2010-06-17 10:46 ` Mel Gorman
2010-06-14 11:17 ` [PATCH 10/12] vmscan: Update isolated page counters outside of main path in shrink_inactive_list() Mel Gorman
2010-06-14 19:42 ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-14 11:17 ` [PATCH 11/12] vmscan: Write out dirty pages in batch Mel Gorman
2010-06-14 21:13 ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-15 10:18 ` Mel Gorman
2010-06-14 23:11 ` Dave Chinner
2010-06-14 23:21 ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2010-06-15 0:39 ` Dave Chinner
2010-06-15 1:16 ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-15 1:45 ` Andrew Morton
2010-06-15 4:08 ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-15 4:37 ` Andrew Morton
2010-06-15 5:12 ` Nick Piggin
2010-06-15 5:43 ` [patch] mm: vmscan fix mapping use after free Nick Piggin
2010-06-15 13:23 ` Mel Gorman
2010-06-15 11:01 ` [PATCH 11/12] vmscan: Write out dirty pages in batch Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-15 13:32 ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-15 1:39 ` Andrew Morton
2010-06-15 3:20 ` Dave Chinner
2010-06-15 4:15 ` Andrew Morton
2010-06-15 6:36 ` Dave Chinner
2010-06-15 10:28 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2010-06-15 10:55 ` Nick Piggin
2010-06-15 11:10 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-15 11:20 ` Nick Piggin
2010-06-15 23:20 ` Dave Chinner
2010-06-16 6:04 ` Nick Piggin
2010-06-15 11:08 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-15 11:43 ` Mel Gorman
2010-06-15 13:07 ` tytso
2010-06-15 15:44 ` Mel Gorman
2010-06-15 10:57 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-15 10:53 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-15 11:11 ` Mel Gorman
2010-06-15 11:13 ` Nick Piggin
2010-06-14 11:17 ` [PATCH 12/12] vmscan: Do not writeback pages in direct reclaim Mel Gorman
2010-06-14 21:55 ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-15 11:45 ` Mel Gorman
2010-06-15 13:34 ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-15 13:37 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-15 13:54 ` Mel Gorman
2010-06-16 0:30 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-06-15 14:02 ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-15 13:59 ` Mel Gorman
2010-06-15 14:04 ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-15 14:16 ` Mel Gorman
2010-06-16 0:17 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-06-16 0:29 ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-16 0:39 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-06-16 0:53 ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-16 1:40 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-06-16 2:20 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-06-16 5:11 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-16 10:51 ` Jens Axboe
2010-06-16 5:07 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-16 5:06 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-17 0:25 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-06-17 6:16 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-17 6:23 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-06-14 15:10 ` [PATCH 0/12] Avoid overflowing of stack during page reclaim V2 Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-15 11:45 ` Mel Gorman
2010-06-15 0:08 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-06-15 11:49 ` Mel Gorman
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