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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
To: Evgeniy Polyakov <zbr@ioremap.net>
Cc: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
	Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 11/12] vmscan: Write out dirty pages in batch
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 07:08:19 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100615110819.GE31051@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100615102822.GA4010@ioremap.net>

On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 02:28:22PM +0400, Evgeniy Polyakov wrote:
> That doesn't coverup large-number-of-small-files pattern, since
> untarring subsequently means creating something new, which FS can
> optimize. Much more interesting case is when we have dirtied large
> number of small files in kind-of random order and submitted them
> down to disk.

That's why we still have block layer sorting.  But for the problem
of larger files doing the sorting above the filesystem is a lot
more efficient, not just primarily due to the I/O patters but because
it makes life for the filesystem writeback code and allocator a lot
simpler.

> Per-mapping sorting will not do anything good in this case, even if
> files were previously created in a good facion being placed closely and
> so on, and only block layer will find a correlation between adjacent
> blocks in different files. But with existing queue management it has
> quite a small opportunity, and that's what I think Andrew is arguing
> about.

Which is actually more or less true - if we do larger amounts of
writeback from kswapd we're toast anyway and performance and allocation
patters go down the toilet.  Then again throwing a list_sort in is
a rather trivial addition.  Note that in addition to page->index we
can also sort by the inode number in the sort function.  At least for
XFS and the traditional ufs derived allocators that will give you
additional locality for small files.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-06-15 11:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 99+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-06-14 11:17 [PATCH 0/12] Avoid overflowing of stack during page reclaim V2 Mel Gorman
2010-06-14 11:17 ` [PATCH 01/12] tracing, vmscan: Add trace events for kswapd wakeup, sleeping and direct reclaim Mel Gorman
2010-06-14 15:45   ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-14 21:01   ` Larry Woodman
2010-06-14 11:17 ` [PATCH 02/12] tracing, vmscan: Add trace events for LRU page isolation Mel Gorman
2010-06-14 16:47   ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-14 21:02   ` Larry Woodman
2010-06-14 11:17 ` [PATCH 03/12] tracing, vmscan: Add trace event when a page is written Mel Gorman
2010-06-14 16:48   ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-14 21:02   ` Larry Woodman
2010-06-14 11:17 ` [PATCH 04/12] tracing, vmscan: Add a postprocessing script for reclaim-related ftrace events Mel Gorman
2010-06-14 17:55   ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-14 21:03   ` Larry Woodman
2010-06-14 11:17 ` [PATCH 05/12] vmscan: kill prev_priority completely Mel Gorman
2010-06-14 18:04   ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-16 23:37   ` Andrew Morton
2010-06-16 23:45     ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-17  0:18       ` Andrew Morton
2010-06-17  0:34         ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-25  8:29     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-06-28 10:35       ` Mel Gorman
2010-06-14 11:17 ` [PATCH 06/12] vmscan: simplify shrink_inactive_list() Mel Gorman
2010-06-14 18:06   ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-15 10:13     ` Mel Gorman
2010-06-14 11:17 ` [PATCH 07/12] vmscan: Remove unnecessary temporary vars in do_try_to_free_pages Mel Gorman
2010-06-14 18:14   ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-14 11:17 ` [PATCH 08/12] vmscan: Setup pagevec as late as possible in shrink_inactive_list() Mel Gorman
2010-06-14 18:59   ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-15 10:47   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-15 15:56     ` Mel Gorman
2010-06-16 23:43   ` Andrew Morton
2010-06-17 10:30     ` Mel Gorman
2010-06-14 11:17 ` [PATCH 09/12] vmscan: Setup pagevec as late as possible in shrink_page_list() Mel Gorman
2010-06-14 19:24   ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-16 23:48   ` Andrew Morton
2010-06-17 10:46     ` Mel Gorman
2010-06-14 11:17 ` [PATCH 10/12] vmscan: Update isolated page counters outside of main path in shrink_inactive_list() Mel Gorman
2010-06-14 19:42   ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-14 11:17 ` [PATCH 11/12] vmscan: Write out dirty pages in batch Mel Gorman
2010-06-14 21:13   ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-15 10:18     ` Mel Gorman
2010-06-14 23:11   ` Dave Chinner
2010-06-14 23:21     ` Andrew Morton
2010-06-15  0:39       ` Dave Chinner
2010-06-15  1:16         ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-15  1:45           ` Andrew Morton
2010-06-15  4:08             ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-15  4:37               ` Andrew Morton
2010-06-15  5:12                 ` Nick Piggin
2010-06-15  5:43                   ` [patch] mm: vmscan fix mapping use after free Nick Piggin
2010-06-15 13:23                     ` Mel Gorman
2010-06-15 11:01           ` [PATCH 11/12] vmscan: Write out dirty pages in batch Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-15 13:32             ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-15  1:39         ` Andrew Morton
2010-06-15  3:20           ` Dave Chinner
2010-06-15  4:15             ` Andrew Morton
2010-06-15  6:36               ` Dave Chinner
2010-06-15 10:28                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2010-06-15 10:55                   ` Nick Piggin
2010-06-15 11:10                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-15 11:20                       ` Nick Piggin
2010-06-15 23:20                     ` Dave Chinner
2010-06-16  6:04                       ` Nick Piggin
2010-06-15 11:08                   ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2010-06-15 11:43               ` Mel Gorman
2010-06-15 13:07                 ` tytso
2010-06-15 15:44                 ` Mel Gorman
2010-06-15 10:57       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-15 10:53   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-15 11:11     ` Mel Gorman
2010-06-15 11:13     ` Nick Piggin
2010-06-14 11:17 ` [PATCH 12/12] vmscan: Do not writeback pages in direct reclaim Mel Gorman
2010-06-14 21:55   ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-15 11:45     ` Mel Gorman
2010-06-15 13:34       ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-15 13:37         ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-15 13:54           ` Mel Gorman
2010-06-16  0:30             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-06-15 14:02           ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-15 13:59         ` Mel Gorman
2010-06-15 14:04           ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-15 14:16             ` Mel Gorman
2010-06-16  0:17               ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-06-16  0:29                 ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-16  0:39                   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-06-16  0:53                     ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-16  1:40                       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-06-16  2:20                         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-06-16  5:11                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-16 10:51                             ` Jens Axboe
2010-06-16  5:07                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-16  5:06                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-17  0:25                   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-06-17  6:16                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-17  6:23                       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-06-14 15:10 ` [PATCH 0/12] Avoid overflowing of stack during page reclaim V2 Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-15 11:45   ` Mel Gorman
2010-06-15  0:08 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-06-15 11:49   ` Mel Gorman

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