From: Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>
To: Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-mm@kvack.org, Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/6] Do not call ->writepage[s] from direct reclaim and use a_ops->writepages() where possible
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 18:37:47 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100615163747.GK28052@random.random> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100615163044.GR26788@csn.ul.ie>
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 05:30:44PM +0100, Mel Gorman wrote:
> See this
>
> STATIC int
> xfs_vm_writepage(
> struct page *page,
> struct writeback_control *wbc)
> {
> int error;
> int need_trans;
> int delalloc, unmapped, unwritten;
> struct inode *inode = page->mapping->host;
>
> trace_xfs_writepage(inode, page, 0);
>
> /*
> * Refuse to write the page out if we are called from reclaim
> * context.
> *
> * This is primarily to avoid stack overflows when called from deep
> * used stacks in random callers for direct reclaim, but disabling
> * reclaim for kswap is a nice side-effect as kswapd causes rather
> * suboptimal I/O patters, too.
> *
> * This should really be done by the core VM, but until that happens
> * filesystems like XFS, btrfs and ext4 have to take care of this
> * by themselves.
> */
> if (current->flags & PF_MEMALLOC)
> goto out_fail;
so it's under xfs/linux-2.6... ;) I guess this dates back from the
xfs/irix xfs/freebsd days, no prob.
> Again, missing the code to do it and am missing data showing that not
> writing pages in direct reclaim is really a bad idea.
Your code is functionally fine, my point is it's not just writepage as
shown by the PF_MEMALLOC check in ext4.
> Other than the whole "lacking the code" thing and it's still not clear that
> writing from direct reclaim is absolutly necessary for VM stability considering
> it's been ignored today by at least two filesystems. I can add the throttling
> logic if it'd make you happied but I know it'd be at least two weeks
> before I could start from scratch on a
> stack-switch-based-solution and a PITA considering that I'm not convinced
> it's necessary :)
The reason things are working on I think is because of
wait_on_page_writeback. By the time lots of ram is full with dirty
pdflush and stuff will submit I/O, then VM will still wait on I/O to
complete. Waiting is eating no stack, submitting I/O does instead. So
that explains why everything works fine.
It'd be interesting to verify that things don't fall apart with
current xfs if you swapon ./file_on_xfs instead of /dev/something.
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Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-06-08 9:02 [RFC PATCH 0/6] Do not call ->writepage[s] from direct reclaim and use a_ops->writepages() where possible Mel Gorman
2010-06-08 9:02 ` [PATCH 1/6] tracing, vmscan: Add trace events for kswapd wakeup, sleeping and direct reclaim Mel Gorman
2010-06-08 9:02 ` [PATCH 2/6] tracing, vmscan: Add trace events for LRU page isolation Mel Gorman
2010-06-08 9:02 ` [PATCH 3/6] tracing, vmscan: Add trace event when a page is written Mel Gorman
2010-06-08 9:02 ` [PATCH 4/6] tracing, vmscan: Add a postprocessing script for reclaim-related ftrace events Mel Gorman
2010-06-08 9:02 ` [PATCH 5/6] vmscan: Write out ranges of pages contiguous to the inode where possible Mel Gorman
2010-06-11 6:10 ` Andrew Morton
2010-06-11 12:49 ` Mel Gorman
2010-06-11 19:07 ` Andrew Morton
2010-06-11 20:44 ` Mel Gorman
2010-06-11 21:33 ` Andrew Morton
2010-06-12 0:17 ` Mel Gorman
2010-06-11 16:27 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-08 9:02 ` [PATCH 6/6] vmscan: Do not writeback pages in direct reclaim Mel Gorman
2010-06-11 6:17 ` Andrew Morton
2010-06-11 12:54 ` Mel Gorman
2010-06-11 16:25 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-11 17:43 ` Andrew Morton
2010-06-11 17:49 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-11 18:13 ` Mel Gorman
2010-06-08 9:08 ` [RFC PATCH 0/6] Do not call ->writepage[s] from direct reclaim and use a_ops->writepages() where possible Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-08 9:28 ` Mel Gorman
2010-06-11 16:29 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-11 18:15 ` Mel Gorman
2010-06-11 19:12 ` Chris Mason
2010-06-09 2:52 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-06-09 9:52 ` Mel Gorman
2010-06-10 0:38 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-06-10 1:10 ` Mel Gorman
2010-06-10 1:29 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-06-11 5:57 ` Andrew Morton
2010-06-11 12:33 ` Mel Gorman
2010-06-11 16:30 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-11 18:17 ` Mel Gorman
2010-06-15 14:00 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-06-15 14:11 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-15 14:22 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-06-15 14:43 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-15 15:08 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-06-15 15:25 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-15 15:45 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-06-15 16:26 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-15 16:31 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-06-15 16:49 ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-15 16:54 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-15 19:13 ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-15 19:17 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-15 19:44 ` Chris Mason
2010-06-16 7:57 ` Nick Piggin
2010-06-16 16:59 ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-16 17:04 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-06-15 16:54 ` Nick Piggin
2010-06-15 15:38 ` Mel Gorman
2010-06-15 16:14 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-06-15 16:22 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-15 16:30 ` Mel Gorman
2010-06-15 16:34 ` Mel Gorman
2010-06-15 16:54 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-06-15 16:35 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-15 16:37 ` Andrea Arcangeli [this message]
2010-06-15 17:43 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-15 16:45 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-15 14:51 ` Mel Gorman
2010-06-15 14:55 ` Rik van Riel
2010-06-15 15:08 ` Nick Piggin
2010-06-15 15:10 ` Mel Gorman
2010-06-15 16:28 ` Andrea Arcangeli
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