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From: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
To: Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>
Cc: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	npiggin@suse.de
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 15:54:58 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100622135457.GD3338@quack.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100622025941.GA6147@localhost>

On Tue 22-06-10 10:59:41, Wu Fengguang wrote:
> > - use tagging also for WB_SYNC_NONE writeback - there's problem with an
> >   interaction with wbc->nr_to_write. If we tag all dirty pages, we can
> >   spend too much time tagging when we write only a few pages in the end
> >   because of nr_to_write. If we tag only say nr_to_write pages, we may
> >   not have enough pages tagged because some pages are written out by
> >   someone else and so we would have to restart and tagging would become
> 
> This could be addressed by ignoring nr_to_write for the WB_SYNC_NONE
> writeback triggered by sync(). write_cache_pages() already ignored
> nr_to_write for WB_SYNC_ALL.
  We could do that but frankly, I'm not very fond of adding more special
cases to writeback code than strictly necessary...

> >   essentially useless. So my option is - switch to tagging for WB_SYNC_NONE
> >   writeback if we can get rid of nr_to_write. But that's a story for
> >   a different patch set.
> 
> Besides introducing overheads, it will be a policy change in which the
> system loses control to somehow "throttle" writeback of huge files.
  Yes, but if we guarantee we cannot livelock on a single file, do we care?
Memory management does not care because it's getting rid of dirty pages
which is what it wants. User might care but actually writing out files in
the order they were dirtied (i.e., the order user written them) is quite
natural so it's not a "surprising" behavior. And I don't think we can
assume that data in those small files are more valuable than data in the
large file and thus should be written earlier...
  With the overhead you are right that tagging is more expensive than
checking nr_to_write limit...

								Honza
-- 
Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
SUSE Labs, CR

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  reply	other threads:[~2010-06-22 13:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-06-16 16:33 Jan Kara
2010-06-16 16:33 ` [PATCH 1/2] radix-tree: Implement function radix_tree_range_tag_if_tagged Jan Kara
2010-06-18 22:18   ` Andrew Morton
2010-06-21 12:09     ` Nick Piggin
2010-06-21 22:43       ` Jan Kara
2010-06-23 13:42       ` Jan Kara
2010-06-16 16:33 ` [PATCH 2/2] mm: Implement writeback livelock avoidance using page tagging Jan Kara
2010-06-18 22:21   ` Andrew Morton
2010-06-21 12:42     ` Jan Kara
2010-06-16 22:15 ` your mail Dave Chinner
2010-06-17  7:43   ` [PATCH 0/2 v4] Writeback livelock avoidance for data integrity writes Jan Kara
2010-06-18  6:11     ` Dave Chinner
2010-06-18  7:01       ` Nick Piggin
2010-06-17  9:11 ` Jan Kara
2010-06-22  2:59 ` your mail Wu Fengguang
2010-06-22 13:54   ` Jan Kara [this message]
2010-06-22 14:12     ` Wu Fengguang
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2025-02-24 22:52 [PATCH v7 0/7] mseal system mappings jeffxu
2025-02-25 15:18 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-26  0:12   ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-26  5:42     ` your mail Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-28  0:55       ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-28  9:35         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-02-28 17:24           ` Jeff Xu
2025-02-28 17:30             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2023-05-10 19:01 [PATCH] maple_tree: Fix a few documentation issues, Thomas Gleixner
2023-05-15 19:27 ` your mail Liam R. Howlett
2023-05-15 21:16   ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-05-16 22:47   ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-05-23 13:46     ` Liam R. Howlett
     [not found] <20190225201635.4648-1-hannes@cmpxchg.org>
2019-02-26 23:49 ` Roman Gushchin
2017-04-10 11:03 [PATCH -v2 0/9] mm: make movable onlining suck less Michal Hocko
2017-04-15 12:17 ` Michal Hocko
2017-04-17  5:47   ` your mail Joonsoo Kim
2017-04-17  8:15     ` Michal Hocko
2017-04-20  1:27       ` Joonsoo Kim
2017-04-20  7:28         ` Michal Hocko
2017-04-20  8:49           ` Michal Hocko
2017-04-20 11:56             ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-04-20 12:13               ` Michal Hocko
2017-04-21  4:38           ` Joonsoo Kim
2017-04-21  7:16             ` Michal Hocko
2017-04-24  1:44               ` Joonsoo Kim
2017-04-24  7:53                 ` Michal Hocko
2017-04-25  2:50                   ` Joonsoo Kim
2017-04-26  9:19                     ` Michal Hocko
2017-04-27  2:08                       ` Joonsoo Kim
2017-04-27 15:10                         ` Michal Hocko
2012-10-04 16:50 Andrea Arcangeli
2012-10-04 18:17 ` your mail Christoph Lameter
     [not found] <1131.86.55.168.2.1170690089.squirrel@mail.thinknet.ro>
2007-02-05 12:36 ` Joerg Roedel
2003-01-24  5:54 Anoop J.
2003-01-24  6:28 ` David Lang
2003-01-24  8:51   ` Anoop J.
2003-01-24  8:48     ` David Lang
2003-01-24  9:49       ` Anoop J.
2003-01-24 19:14         ` David Lang
2003-01-24 19:40           ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2003-01-24  5:08 (unknown), Anoop J.
2003-01-24  5:11 ` your mail David Lang
2003-01-24  6:06   ` John Alvord
2003-01-25  2:29     ` Jason Papadopoulos
2003-01-25  2:26       ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-25 17:47         ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-01-25 23:10           ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-26  8:12             ` David S. Miller
2002-04-21 14:54 raciel
2002-04-21 19:12 ` your mail William Lee Irwin III
2002-01-02 14:20 mehul radheshyam choube
2002-01-03 16:40 ` your mail Rik van Riel
2001-08-04 11:10 Mahmoud Taghizadeh
2001-08-04 13:18 ` your mail Francois Romieu
2001-06-08  1:36 jnn
2001-06-08 13:16 ` your mail Ralf Baechle
2000-09-04 12:01 Sahil
2000-09-04 15:35 ` your mail Rik van Riel
2000-03-28  8:19 pnilesh
2000-03-28 13:26 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
1998-02-25 22:15 Rik van Riel
1998-02-25 22:48 ` your mail Linus Torvalds
1998-02-25 23:26   ` Rik van Riel

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