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From: Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>, Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
	Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 6/6] vmscan: Kick flusher threads to clean pages when reclaim is encountering dirty pages
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 19:15:44 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100801111544.GC7515@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100730150601.199c5618.akpm@linux-foundation.org>

> Sigh.  We have sooo many problems with writeback and latency.  Read
> https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12309 and weep.  Everyone's
> running away from the issue and here we are adding code to solve some
> alleged stack-overflow problem which seems to be largely a non-problem,
> by making changes which may worsen our real problems.

This looks like some vmscan/writeback interaction issue.

Firstly, the CFQ io scheduler can already prevent read IO from being
delayed by lots of ASYNC write IO. See the commits 365722bb/8e2967555
in late 2009.

Reading a big file in an idle system:
        680897928 bytes (681 MB) copied, 15.8986 s, 42.8 MB/s

Reading a big file while doing sequential writes to another file:
        680897928 bytes (681 MB) copied, 27.6007 s, 24.7 MB/s
        680897928 bytes (681 MB) copied, 25.6592 s, 26.5 MB/s

So CFQ offers reasonable read performance under heavy writeback.

Secondly, I can only feel the responsiveness lags when there are
memory pressures _in addition to_ heavy writeback.

        cp /dev/zero /tmp

No lags.

        usemem 1g --sleep 1000

Still no lags.

        usemem 1g --sleep 1000

Still no lags.

        usemem 1g --sleep 1000

Begin to feel lags at times. My desktop has 4G memory and no swap
space. So the lags are correlated with page reclaim pressure.

The above symptoms are matched very well by the patches posted by
KOSAKI and me:

- vmscan: raise the bar to PAGEOUT_IO_SYNC stalls
- vmscan: synchronous lumpy reclaim don't call congestion_wait()

However kernels as early as 2.6.18 are reported to have the problem,
so there may be more hidden issues.

Thanks,
Fengguang

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-08-01 11:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-07-30 13:36 [PATCH 0/6] Reduce writeback from page reclaim context V6 Mel Gorman
2010-07-30 13:36 ` [PATCH 1/6] vmscan: tracing: Roll up of patches currently in mmotm Mel Gorman
2010-07-30 14:04   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-07-30 14:12     ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-30 14:15       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-07-30 13:36 ` [PATCH 2/6] vmscan: tracing: Update trace event to track if page reclaim IO is for anon or file pages Mel Gorman
2010-07-30 13:36 ` [PATCH 3/6] vmscan: tracing: Update post-processing script to distinguish between anon and file IO from page reclaim Mel Gorman
2010-07-30 13:36 ` [PATCH 4/6] vmscan: tracing: Correct units in post-processing script Mel Gorman
2010-07-30 13:36 ` [PATCH 5/6] vmscan: Do not writeback filesystem pages in direct reclaim Mel Gorman
2010-08-05  6:59   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-08-05 14:15     ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-30 13:37 ` [PATCH 6/6] vmscan: Kick flusher threads to clean pages when reclaim is encountering dirty pages Mel Gorman
2010-07-30 22:06   ` Andrew Morton
2010-07-30 22:40     ` Trond Myklebust
2010-08-01  8:19       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-08-01 16:21         ` Trond Myklebust
2010-08-02  7:57           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-07-31 10:33     ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-02 18:31       ` Jan Kara
2010-08-01 11:15     ` Wu Fengguang [this message]
2010-08-01 11:56     ` Wu Fengguang
2010-08-01 13:03       ` Wu Fengguang
     [not found]         ` <80868B70-B17D-4007-AA15-5C11F0F95353@xyke.com>
2010-08-02  2:30           ` Wu Fengguang
2010-08-05  6:45   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-08-05 14:09     ` Mel Gorman

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