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From: Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
	Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 6/6] vmscan: Kick flusher threads to clean pages when reclaim is encountering dirty pages
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 19:56:40 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100801115640.GA18943@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100730150601.199c5618.akpm@linux-foundation.org>

> Sigh.  We have sooo many problems with writeback and latency.  Read
> https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12309 and weep.  Everyone's
> running away from the issue and here we are adding code to solve some
> alleged stack-overflow problem which seems to be largely a non-problem,
> by making changes which may worsen our real problems.

I'm sweeping bug 12309. Most people reports some data writes, though
relative few explicitly stated memory pressure is another necessary
condition.

One interesting report is #3. Thomas reported the same slowdown
_without_ any IO. He was able to narrow down the bug to somewhere
between 2.6.20.21 and 2.6.22.19. I searched through the git and found
a congestion_wait() in commit 232ea4d69d (throttle_vm_writeout():
don't loop on GFP_NOFS and GFP_NOIO allocations) which was later
removed by commit 369f2389e7 (writeback: remove unnecessary wait in
throttle_vm_writeout()).

How can the congestion_wait(HZ/10) be a problem? Because it
unconditionally enters wait loop. So if no IO is underway, it
virtually becomes a schedule_timeout(HZ/10) because there are
no IO completion events to wake it up.

Thanks,
Fengguang

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-08-01 11:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-07-30 13:36 [PATCH 0/6] Reduce writeback from page reclaim context V6 Mel Gorman
2010-07-30 13:36 ` [PATCH 1/6] vmscan: tracing: Roll up of patches currently in mmotm Mel Gorman
2010-07-30 14:04   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-07-30 14:12     ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-30 14:15       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-07-30 13:36 ` [PATCH 2/6] vmscan: tracing: Update trace event to track if page reclaim IO is for anon or file pages Mel Gorman
2010-07-30 13:36 ` [PATCH 3/6] vmscan: tracing: Update post-processing script to distinguish between anon and file IO from page reclaim Mel Gorman
2010-07-30 13:36 ` [PATCH 4/6] vmscan: tracing: Correct units in post-processing script Mel Gorman
2010-07-30 13:36 ` [PATCH 5/6] vmscan: Do not writeback filesystem pages in direct reclaim Mel Gorman
2010-08-05  6:59   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-08-05 14:15     ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-30 13:37 ` [PATCH 6/6] vmscan: Kick flusher threads to clean pages when reclaim is encountering dirty pages Mel Gorman
2010-07-30 22:06   ` Andrew Morton
2010-07-30 22:40     ` Trond Myklebust
2010-08-01  8:19       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-08-01 16:21         ` Trond Myklebust
2010-08-02  7:57           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-07-31 10:33     ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-02 18:31       ` Jan Kara
2010-08-01 11:15     ` Wu Fengguang
2010-08-01 11:56     ` Wu Fengguang [this message]
2010-08-01 13:03       ` Wu Fengguang
     [not found]         ` <80868B70-B17D-4007-AA15-5C11F0F95353@xyke.com>
2010-08-02  2:30           ` Wu Fengguang
2010-08-05  6:45   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-08-05 14:09     ` Mel Gorman

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