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From: Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de>
To: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>
Cc: Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>, Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>,
	Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 07/13] writeback: explicit low bound for vm.dirty_ratio
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 13:57:12 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100810135712.0eb34759@notabene> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100809235652.7113.A69D9226@jp.fujitsu.com>

On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 12:12:06 +0900 (JST)
KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com> wrote:

> > Subject: writeback: explicit low bound for vm.dirty_ratio
> > From: Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>
> > Date: Thu Jul 15 10:28:57 CST 2010
> > 
> > Force a user visible low bound of 5% for the vm.dirty_ratio interface.
> > 
> > This is an interface change. When doing
> > 
> > 	echo N > /proc/sys/vm/dirty_ratio
> > 
> > where N < 5, the old behavior is pretend to accept the value, while
> > the new behavior is to reject it explicitly with -EINVAL.  This will
> > possibly break user space if they checks the return value.
> 
> Umm.. I dislike this change. Is there any good reason to refuse explicit 
> admin's will? Why 1-4% is so bad? Internal clipping can be changed later
> but explicit error behavior is hard to change later.

As a data-point, I had a situation a while back where I needed a value below
1 to get desired behaviour.  The system had lots of RAM and fairly slow
write-back (over NFS) so a 'sync' could take minutes.

So I would much prefer allowing not only 1-4, but also fraction values!!!

I can see no justification at all for setting a lower bound of 5.  Even zero
can be useful - for testing purposes mostly.

NeilBrown

> personally I prefer to
>  - accept all value, or
>  - clipping value in dirty_ratio_handler 
> 
> Both don't have explicit ABI change.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> 
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  reply	other threads:[~2010-08-10  3:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-08-05 16:10 [PATCH 00/13] writeback patches for 2.6.36 Wu Fengguang
2010-08-05 16:10 ` [PATCH 01/13] writeback: reduce calls to global_page_state in balance_dirty_pages() Wu Fengguang
2010-08-05 16:10 ` [PATCH 02/13] writeback: avoid unnecessary calculation of bdi dirty thresholds Wu Fengguang
2010-08-06 10:14   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-05 16:10 ` [PATCH 03/13] writeback: add comment to the dirty limits functions Wu Fengguang
2010-08-06 10:17   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-07 16:47     ` Wu Fengguang
2010-08-05 16:10 ` [PATCH 04/13] writeback: dont redirty tail an inode with dirty pages Wu Fengguang
2010-08-05 16:10 ` [PATCH 05/13] writeback: fix queue_io() ordering Wu Fengguang
2010-08-05 16:10 ` [PATCH 06/13] writeback: merge for_kupdate and !for_kupdate cases Wu Fengguang
2010-08-05 16:10 ` [PATCH 07/13] writeback: explicit low bound for vm.dirty_ratio Wu Fengguang
2010-08-05 23:34   ` Andrew Morton
2010-08-06 12:44     ` Wu Fengguang
2010-08-10  3:12       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-08-10  3:57         ` Neil Brown [this message]
2010-08-10 13:29           ` Jan Kara
2010-08-10 18:12           ` Wu Fengguang
2010-08-10 18:06         ` Wu Fengguang
2010-08-05 16:10 ` [PATCH 08/13] writeback: pass writeback_control down to move_expired_inodes() Wu Fengguang
2010-08-05 16:11 ` [PATCH 09/13] writeback: the kupdate expire timestamp should be a moving target Wu Fengguang
2010-08-05 16:11 ` [PATCH 10/13] writeback: kill writeback_control.more_io Wu Fengguang
2010-08-05 16:11 ` [PATCH 11/13] writeback: sync expired inodes first in background writeback Wu Fengguang
2010-08-05 16:11 ` [PATCH 12/13] writeback: try more writeback as long as something was written Wu Fengguang
2010-08-05 17:00   ` Jan Kara
2010-08-05 22:39     ` Wu Fengguang
2010-08-05 22:50       ` Jan Kara
2010-08-05 16:11 ` [PATCH 13/13] writeback: introduce writeback_control.inodes_written Wu Fengguang
2010-08-05 23:08 ` [PATCH 00/13] writeback patches for 2.6.36 Andrew Morton

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