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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>
Cc: Linux Kernel List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux-foundation.org>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] mm: page allocator: Calculate a better estimate of NR_FREE_PAGES when memory is low and kswapd is awake
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 15:55:37 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100903155537.41f1a3a7.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1283504926-2120-3-git-send-email-mel@csn.ul.ie>

On Fri,  3 Sep 2010 10:08:45 +0100
Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie> wrote:

> From: Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>
> 
> Ordinarily watermark checks are based on the vmstat NR_FREE_PAGES as
> it is cheaper than scanning a number of lists. To avoid synchronization
> overhead, counter deltas are maintained on a per-cpu basis and drained both
> periodically and when the delta is above a threshold. On large CPU systems,
> the difference between the estimated and real value of NR_FREE_PAGES can
> be very high. If NR_FREE_PAGES is much higher than number of real free page
> in buddy, the VM can allocate pages below min watermark, at worst reducing
> the real number of pages to zero. Even if the OOM killer kills some victim
> for freeing memory, it may not free memory if the exit path requires a new
> page resulting in livelock.
> 
> This patch introduces a zone_page_state_snapshot() function (courtesy of
> Christoph) that takes a slightly more accurate of an arbitrary vmstat counter.
> It is used to read NR_FREE_PAGES while kswapd is awake to avoid the watermark
> being accidentally broken.  The estimate is not perfect and may result
> in cache line bounces but is expected to be lighter than the IPI calls
> necessary to continually drain the per-cpu counters while kswapd is awake.
> 

The "is kswapd awake" heuristic seems fairly hacky.  Can it be
improved, made more deterministic?  Exactly what state are we looking
for here?


> +/*
> + * More accurate version that also considers the currently pending
> + * deltas. For that we need to loop over all cpus to find the current
> + * deltas. There is no synchronization so the result cannot be
> + * exactly accurate either.
> + */
> +static inline unsigned long zone_page_state_snapshot(struct zone *zone,
> +					enum zone_stat_item item)
> +{
> +	long x = atomic_long_read(&zone->vm_stat[item]);
> +
> +#ifdef CONFIG_SMP
> +	int cpu;
> +	for_each_online_cpu(cpu)
> +		x += per_cpu_ptr(zone->pageset, cpu)->vm_stat_diff[item];
> +
> +	if (x < 0)
> +		x = 0;
> +#endif
> +	return x;
> +}

aka percpu_counter_sum()!

Can someone remind me why per_cpu_pageset went and reimplemented
percpu_counters rather than just using them?

>  extern unsigned long global_reclaimable_pages(void);
>  extern unsigned long zone_reclaimable_pages(struct zone *zone);
>  
> diff --git a/mm/mmzone.c b/mm/mmzone.c
> index f5b7d17..e35bfb8 100644
> --- a/mm/mmzone.c
> +++ b/mm/mmzone.c
> @@ -87,3 +87,24 @@ int memmap_valid_within(unsigned long pfn,
>  	return 1;
>  }
>  #endif /* CONFIG_ARCH_HAS_HOLES_MEMORYMODEL */
> +
> +#ifdef CONFIG_SMP
> +/* Called when a more accurate view of NR_FREE_PAGES is needed */
> +unsigned long zone_nr_free_pages(struct zone *zone)
> +{
> +	unsigned long nr_free_pages = zone_page_state(zone, NR_FREE_PAGES);
> +
> +	/*
> +	 * While kswapd is awake, it is considered the zone is under some
> +	 * memory pressure. Under pressure, there is a risk that
> +	 * per-cpu-counter-drift will allow the min watermark to be breached
> +	 * potentially causing a live-lock. While kswapd is awake and
> +	 * free pages are low, get a better estimate for free pages
> +	 */
> +	if (nr_free_pages < zone->percpu_drift_mark &&
> +			!waitqueue_active(&zone->zone_pgdat->kswapd_wait))
> +		return zone_page_state_snapshot(zone, NR_FREE_PAGES);
> +
> +	return nr_free_pages;
> +}

Is this really the best way of doing it?  The way we usually solve
this problem (and boy, was this bug a newbie mistake!) is:

	foo = percpu_counter_read(x);

	if (foo says something bad) {
		/* Bad stuff: let's get a more accurate foo */
		foo = percpu_counter_sum(x);
	}

	if (foo still says something bad)
		do_bad_thing();

In other words, don't do all this stuff with percpu_drift_mark and the
kswapd heuristic.  Just change zone_watermark_ok() to use the more
accurate read if it's about to return "no".

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  reply	other threads:[~2010-09-04  0:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-09-03  9:08 [PATCH 0/3] Reduce watermark-related problems with the per-cpu allocator V4 Mel Gorman
2010-09-03  9:08 ` [PATCH 1/3] mm: page allocator: Update free page counters after pages are placed on the free list Mel Gorman
2010-09-03 22:38   ` Andrew Morton
2010-09-05 18:06     ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-03  9:08 ` [PATCH 2/3] mm: page allocator: Calculate a better estimate of NR_FREE_PAGES when memory is low and kswapd is awake Mel Gorman
2010-09-03 22:55   ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2010-09-03 23:17     ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-03 23:28       ` Andrew Morton
2010-09-04  0:54         ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-05 18:12     ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-03  9:08 ` [PATCH 3/3] mm: page allocator: Drain per-cpu lists after direct reclaim allocation fails Mel Gorman
2010-09-03 23:00   ` Andrew Morton
2010-09-04  2:25     ` Dave Chinner
2010-09-04  3:21       ` Andrew Morton
2010-09-04  7:58         ` Dave Chinner
2010-09-04  8:14           ` Dave Chinner
     [not found]             ` <20100905015400.GA10714@localhost>
     [not found]               ` <20100905021555.GG705@dastard>
     [not found]                 ` <20100905060539.GA17450@localhost>
     [not found]                   ` <20100905131447.GJ705@dastard>
2010-09-05 13:45                     ` Wu Fengguang
2010-09-05 23:33                       ` Dave Chinner
2010-09-06  4:02                       ` Dave Chinner
2010-09-06  8:40                         ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-06 21:50                           ` Dave Chinner
2010-09-08  8:49                             ` Dave Chinner
2010-09-09 12:39                               ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-10  6:17                                 ` Dave Chinner
2010-09-07 14:23                         ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-08  2:13                           ` Wu Fengguang
2010-09-04  3:23       ` Wu Fengguang
2010-09-04  3:59         ` Andrew Morton
2010-09-04  4:37           ` Wu Fengguang
2010-09-05 18:22       ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-05 18:14     ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-08  7:43   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-09-08 20:05     ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-09 12:41     ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-09 13:45       ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-09 13:55         ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-09 14:32           ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-09 15:05             ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-10  2:56               ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-09-03 23:05 ` [PATCH 0/3] Reduce watermark-related problems with the per-cpu allocator V4 Andrew Morton
2010-09-21 11:17   ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-21 12:58     ` [stable] " Greg KH
2010-09-21 14:23       ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-23 18:49         ` Greg KH
2010-09-24  9:14           ` Mel Gorman
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-08-31 17:37 [PATCH 0/3] Reduce watermark-related problems with the per-cpu allocator V3 Mel Gorman
2010-08-31 17:37 ` [PATCH 2/3] mm: page allocator: Calculate a better estimate of NR_FREE_PAGES when memory is low and kswapd is awake Mel Gorman
2010-08-31 18:20   ` Christoph Lameter
2010-08-31 23:37   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-09-01  7:24     ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-01  7:33       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-09-01 20:16         ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-01 20:34           ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-02  0:24             ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-02  0:26               ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-09-02  0:39                 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-02  0:54                   ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-02  0:43   ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-02  0:49     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-09-02  8:51     ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-23  8:00 [PATCH 0/3] Reduce watermark-related problems with the per-cpu allocator V2 Mel Gorman
2010-08-23  8:00 ` [PATCH 2/3] mm: page allocator: Calculate a better estimate of NR_FREE_PAGES when memory is low and kswapd is awake Mel Gorman
2010-08-23 12:56   ` Christoph Lameter
2010-08-23 13:03     ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-23 13:41       ` Christoph Lameter
2010-08-23 13:55         ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-23 16:04           ` Christoph Lameter
2010-08-23 16:13             ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-16  9:42 [RFC PATCH 0/3] Reduce watermark-related problems with the per-cpu allocator Mel Gorman
2010-08-16  9:42 ` [PATCH 2/3] mm: page allocator: Calculate a better estimate of NR_FREE_PAGES when memory is low and kswapd is awake Mel Gorman
2010-08-16  9:43   ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-16 14:47     ` Rik van Riel
2010-08-16 16:06     ` Johannes Weiner
2010-08-17  2:26       ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-17 10:42         ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-17 15:01           ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-17 15:05             ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-17 10:16       ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-17 11:05         ` Johannes Weiner
2010-08-17 14:20         ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-18  8:51           ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-18 14:57             ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-19  8:06               ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-19 10:33                 ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-19 10:38                   ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-19 14:01                     ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-19 14:09                       ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-19 14:34                         ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-19 15:07                           ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-19 15:22                             ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-19 15:40                               ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-19 15:44                                 ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-19 15:46     ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-19 16:06       ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-19 16:45         ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-18  2:59   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-08-18 15:55     ` Christoph Lameter
2010-08-19  0:07       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-08-19 19:00         ` Christoph Lameter
2010-08-19 23:49           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki

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