From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>
Cc: Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>,
Linux Kernel List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>,
KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] mm: page allocator: Calculate a better estimate of NR_FREE_PAGES when memory is low and kswapd is awake
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 16:28:21 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100903162821.48ec57cc.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1009031811090.16264@router.home>
On Fri, 3 Sep 2010 18:17:46 -0500 (CDT)
Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Sep 2010, Andrew Morton wrote:
>
> > Can someone remind me why per_cpu_pageset went and reimplemented
> > percpu_counters rather than just using them?
>
> The vm counters are per zone and per cpu and have a flow from per cpu /
> zone deltas to zone counters and then also into global counters.
hm. percpu counters would require overflow-time hooks to do that.
Might be worth looking at.
> > Is this really the best way of doing it? The way we usually solve
> > this problem (and boy, was this bug a newbie mistake!) is:
> >
> > foo = percpu_counter_read(x);
> >
> > if (foo says something bad) {
> > /* Bad stuff: let's get a more accurate foo */
> > foo = percpu_counter_sum(x);
> > }
> >
> > if (foo still says something bad)
> > do_bad_thing();
> >
> > In other words, don't do all this stuff with percpu_drift_mark and the
> > kswapd heuristic. Just change zone_watermark_ok() to use the more
> > accurate read if it's about to return "no".
>
> percpu counters must always be added up when their value is determined.
Nope. That's the difference between percpu_counter_read() and
percpu_counter_sum().
> This seems to be a special case here where Mel does not want to have to
> cost to bring the counters up to date nor reduce the delta/time limits to
> get some more accuracy but wants take some sort of snapshot of the whole
> situation for this particular case.
My suggestion didn't actually have anything to do with percpu_counters.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-09-04 1:16 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-09-03 9:08 [PATCH 0/3] Reduce watermark-related problems with the per-cpu allocator V4 Mel Gorman
2010-09-03 9:08 ` [PATCH 1/3] mm: page allocator: Update free page counters after pages are placed on the free list Mel Gorman
2010-09-03 22:38 ` Andrew Morton
2010-09-05 18:06 ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-03 9:08 ` [PATCH 2/3] mm: page allocator: Calculate a better estimate of NR_FREE_PAGES when memory is low and kswapd is awake Mel Gorman
2010-09-03 22:55 ` Andrew Morton
2010-09-03 23:17 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-03 23:28 ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2010-09-04 0:54 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-05 18:12 ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-03 9:08 ` [PATCH 3/3] mm: page allocator: Drain per-cpu lists after direct reclaim allocation fails Mel Gorman
2010-09-03 23:00 ` Andrew Morton
2010-09-04 2:25 ` Dave Chinner
2010-09-04 3:21 ` Andrew Morton
2010-09-04 7:58 ` Dave Chinner
2010-09-04 8:14 ` Dave Chinner
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[not found] ` <20100905021555.GG705@dastard>
[not found] ` <20100905060539.GA17450@localhost>
[not found] ` <20100905131447.GJ705@dastard>
2010-09-05 13:45 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-09-05 23:33 ` Dave Chinner
2010-09-06 4:02 ` Dave Chinner
2010-09-06 8:40 ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-06 21:50 ` Dave Chinner
2010-09-08 8:49 ` Dave Chinner
2010-09-09 12:39 ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-10 6:17 ` Dave Chinner
2010-09-07 14:23 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-08 2:13 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-09-04 3:23 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-09-04 3:59 ` Andrew Morton
2010-09-04 4:37 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-09-05 18:22 ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-05 18:14 ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-08 7:43 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-09-08 20:05 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-09 12:41 ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-09 13:45 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-09 13:55 ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-09 14:32 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-09 15:05 ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-10 2:56 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-09-03 23:05 ` [PATCH 0/3] Reduce watermark-related problems with the per-cpu allocator V4 Andrew Morton
2010-09-21 11:17 ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-21 12:58 ` [stable] " Greg KH
2010-09-21 14:23 ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-23 18:49 ` Greg KH
2010-09-24 9:14 ` Mel Gorman
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-08-31 17:37 [PATCH 0/3] Reduce watermark-related problems with the per-cpu allocator V3 Mel Gorman
2010-08-31 17:37 ` [PATCH 2/3] mm: page allocator: Calculate a better estimate of NR_FREE_PAGES when memory is low and kswapd is awake Mel Gorman
2010-08-31 18:20 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-08-31 23:37 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-09-01 7:24 ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-01 7:33 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-09-01 20:16 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-01 20:34 ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-02 0:24 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-02 0:26 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-09-02 0:39 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-02 0:54 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-02 0:43 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-02 0:49 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-09-02 8:51 ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-23 8:00 [PATCH 0/3] Reduce watermark-related problems with the per-cpu allocator V2 Mel Gorman
2010-08-23 8:00 ` [PATCH 2/3] mm: page allocator: Calculate a better estimate of NR_FREE_PAGES when memory is low and kswapd is awake Mel Gorman
2010-08-23 12:56 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-08-23 13:03 ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-23 13:41 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-08-23 13:55 ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-23 16:04 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-08-23 16:13 ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-16 9:42 [RFC PATCH 0/3] Reduce watermark-related problems with the per-cpu allocator Mel Gorman
2010-08-16 9:42 ` [PATCH 2/3] mm: page allocator: Calculate a better estimate of NR_FREE_PAGES when memory is low and kswapd is awake Mel Gorman
2010-08-16 9:43 ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-16 14:47 ` Rik van Riel
2010-08-16 16:06 ` Johannes Weiner
2010-08-17 2:26 ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-17 10:42 ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-17 15:01 ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-17 15:05 ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-17 10:16 ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-17 11:05 ` Johannes Weiner
2010-08-17 14:20 ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-18 8:51 ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-18 14:57 ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-19 8:06 ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-19 10:33 ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-19 10:38 ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-19 14:01 ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-19 14:09 ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-19 14:34 ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-19 15:07 ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-19 15:22 ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-19 15:40 ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-19 15:44 ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-19 15:46 ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-19 16:06 ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-19 16:45 ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-18 2:59 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-08-18 15:55 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-08-19 0:07 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-08-19 19:00 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-08-19 23:49 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
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