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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>
Cc: Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>,
	Linux Kernel List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] mm: page allocator: Calculate a better estimate of NR_FREE_PAGES when memory is low and kswapd is awake
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 16:28:21 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100903162821.48ec57cc.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1009031811090.16264@router.home>

On Fri, 3 Sep 2010 18:17:46 -0500 (CDT)
Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 3 Sep 2010, Andrew Morton wrote:
> 
> > Can someone remind me why per_cpu_pageset went and reimplemented
> > percpu_counters rather than just using them?
> 
> The vm counters are per zone and per cpu and have a flow from per cpu /
> zone deltas to zone counters and then also into global counters.

hm.  percpu counters would require overflow-time hooks to do that. 
Might be worth looking at.

> > Is this really the best way of doing it?  The way we usually solve
> > this problem (and boy, was this bug a newbie mistake!) is:
> >
> > 	foo = percpu_counter_read(x);
> >
> > 	if (foo says something bad) {
> > 		/* Bad stuff: let's get a more accurate foo */
> > 		foo = percpu_counter_sum(x);
> > 	}
> >
> > 	if (foo still says something bad)
> > 		do_bad_thing();
> >
> > In other words, don't do all this stuff with percpu_drift_mark and the
> > kswapd heuristic.  Just change zone_watermark_ok() to use the more
> > accurate read if it's about to return "no".
> 
> percpu counters must always be added up when their value is determined.

Nope.  That's the difference between percpu_counter_read() and
percpu_counter_sum().

> This seems to be a special case here where Mel does not want to have to
> cost to bring the counters up to date nor reduce the delta/time limits to
> get some more accuracy but wants take some sort of snapshot of the whole
> situation for this particular case.

My suggestion didn't actually have anything to do with percpu_counters.


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  reply	other threads:[~2010-09-04  1:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-09-03  9:08 [PATCH 0/3] Reduce watermark-related problems with the per-cpu allocator V4 Mel Gorman
2010-09-03  9:08 ` [PATCH 1/3] mm: page allocator: Update free page counters after pages are placed on the free list Mel Gorman
2010-09-03 22:38   ` Andrew Morton
2010-09-05 18:06     ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-03  9:08 ` [PATCH 2/3] mm: page allocator: Calculate a better estimate of NR_FREE_PAGES when memory is low and kswapd is awake Mel Gorman
2010-09-03 22:55   ` Andrew Morton
2010-09-03 23:17     ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-03 23:28       ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2010-09-04  0:54         ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-05 18:12     ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-03  9:08 ` [PATCH 3/3] mm: page allocator: Drain per-cpu lists after direct reclaim allocation fails Mel Gorman
2010-09-03 23:00   ` Andrew Morton
2010-09-04  2:25     ` Dave Chinner
2010-09-04  3:21       ` Andrew Morton
2010-09-04  7:58         ` Dave Chinner
2010-09-04  8:14           ` Dave Chinner
     [not found]             ` <20100905015400.GA10714@localhost>
     [not found]               ` <20100905021555.GG705@dastard>
     [not found]                 ` <20100905060539.GA17450@localhost>
     [not found]                   ` <20100905131447.GJ705@dastard>
2010-09-05 13:45                     ` Wu Fengguang
2010-09-05 23:33                       ` Dave Chinner
2010-09-06  4:02                       ` Dave Chinner
2010-09-06  8:40                         ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-06 21:50                           ` Dave Chinner
2010-09-08  8:49                             ` Dave Chinner
2010-09-09 12:39                               ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-10  6:17                                 ` Dave Chinner
2010-09-07 14:23                         ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-08  2:13                           ` Wu Fengguang
2010-09-04  3:23       ` Wu Fengguang
2010-09-04  3:59         ` Andrew Morton
2010-09-04  4:37           ` Wu Fengguang
2010-09-05 18:22       ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-05 18:14     ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-08  7:43   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-09-08 20:05     ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-09 12:41     ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-09 13:45       ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-09 13:55         ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-09 14:32           ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-09 15:05             ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-10  2:56               ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-09-03 23:05 ` [PATCH 0/3] Reduce watermark-related problems with the per-cpu allocator V4 Andrew Morton
2010-09-21 11:17   ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-21 12:58     ` [stable] " Greg KH
2010-09-21 14:23       ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-23 18:49         ` Greg KH
2010-09-24  9:14           ` Mel Gorman
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-08-31 17:37 [PATCH 0/3] Reduce watermark-related problems with the per-cpu allocator V3 Mel Gorman
2010-08-31 17:37 ` [PATCH 2/3] mm: page allocator: Calculate a better estimate of NR_FREE_PAGES when memory is low and kswapd is awake Mel Gorman
2010-08-31 18:20   ` Christoph Lameter
2010-08-31 23:37   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-09-01  7:24     ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-01  7:33       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-09-01 20:16         ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-01 20:34           ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-02  0:24             ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-02  0:26               ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-09-02  0:39                 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-02  0:54                   ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-02  0:43   ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-02  0:49     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-09-02  8:51     ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-23  8:00 [PATCH 0/3] Reduce watermark-related problems with the per-cpu allocator V2 Mel Gorman
2010-08-23  8:00 ` [PATCH 2/3] mm: page allocator: Calculate a better estimate of NR_FREE_PAGES when memory is low and kswapd is awake Mel Gorman
2010-08-23 12:56   ` Christoph Lameter
2010-08-23 13:03     ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-23 13:41       ` Christoph Lameter
2010-08-23 13:55         ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-23 16:04           ` Christoph Lameter
2010-08-23 16:13             ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-16  9:42 [RFC PATCH 0/3] Reduce watermark-related problems with the per-cpu allocator Mel Gorman
2010-08-16  9:42 ` [PATCH 2/3] mm: page allocator: Calculate a better estimate of NR_FREE_PAGES when memory is low and kswapd is awake Mel Gorman
2010-08-16  9:43   ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-16 14:47     ` Rik van Riel
2010-08-16 16:06     ` Johannes Weiner
2010-08-17  2:26       ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-17 10:42         ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-17 15:01           ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-17 15:05             ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-17 10:16       ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-17 11:05         ` Johannes Weiner
2010-08-17 14:20         ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-18  8:51           ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-18 14:57             ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-19  8:06               ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-19 10:33                 ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-19 10:38                   ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-19 14:01                     ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-19 14:09                       ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-19 14:34                         ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-19 15:07                           ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-19 15:22                             ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-19 15:40                               ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-19 15:44                                 ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-19 15:46     ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-19 16:06       ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-19 16:45         ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-18  2:59   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-08-18 15:55     ` Christoph Lameter
2010-08-19  0:07       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-08-19 19:00         ` Christoph Lameter
2010-08-19 23:49           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki

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