From: Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
Linux Kernel List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>,
Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>,
KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 8/8] writeback: Do not sleep on the congestion queue if there are no congested BDIs or if significant congestion is not being encountered in the current zone
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 10:52:39 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100920095239.GE1998@csn.ul.ie> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100916152810.cb074e9f.akpm@linux-foundation.org>
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 03:28:10PM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Sep 2010 13:27:51 +0100
> Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie> wrote:
>
> > If wait_iff_congested() is called with no BDI congested, the function simply
> > calls cond_resched(). In the event there is significant writeback happening
> > in the zone that is being reclaimed, this can be a poor decision as reclaim
> > would succeed once writeback was completed. Without any backoff logic,
> > younger clean pages can be reclaimed resulting in more reclaim overall and
> > poor performance.
>
> This is because cond_resched() is a no-op,
Can be a no-op surely. There is an expectation that it will sometimes schedule.
> and we skip around the
> under-writeback pages and go off and look further along the LRU for
> younger clean pages, yes?
>
Yes.
> > This patch tracks how many pages backed by a congested BDI were found during
> > scanning. If all the dirty pages encountered on a list isolated from the
> > LRU belong to a congested BDI, the zone is marked congested until the zone
> > reaches the high watermark.
>
> High watermark, or low watermark?
>
High watermark. The check is made by kswapd.
> The terms are rather ambiguous so let's avoid them. Maybe "full"
> watermark and "empty"?
>
Unfortunately they are ambiguous to me. I know what the high watermark
is but not what the full or empty watermarks are.
> >
> > ...
> >
> > @@ -706,6 +726,7 @@ static unsigned long shrink_page_list(struct list_head *page_list,
> > goto keep;
> >
> > VM_BUG_ON(PageActive(page));
> > + VM_BUG_ON(page_zone(page) != zone);
>
> ?
>
It should not be the case that pages from multiple zones exist on the list
passed to shrink_page_list(). Lets say someone broke that assumption in the
future, which one should be marked congested? No way to know, so lets catch
the bug if the assumptions is ever broken.
> > sc->nr_scanned++;
> >
> >
> > ...
> >
> > @@ -903,6 +928,15 @@ keep_lumpy:
> > VM_BUG_ON(PageLRU(page) || PageUnevictable(page));
> > }
> >
> > + /*
> > + * Tag a zone as congested if all the dirty pages encountered were
> > + * backed by a congested BDI. In this case, reclaimers should just
> > + * back off and wait for congestion to clear because further reclaim
> > + * will encounter the same problem
> > + */
> > + if (nr_dirty == nr_congested)
> > + zone_set_flag(zone, ZONE_CONGESTED);
>
> The implicit "100%" there is a magic number. hrm.
>
It is but any other value for that number would be very specific to a
workload or a machine. A sysctl would have to be maintained and I
couldn't convince myself that anyone could do something sensible with
the value.
Rather than introducing a new tunable for this, I was toying with the idea over
the weekend on tracking the scanned/reclaimed ratio within the scan control -
possibly on a per-zone basis but more likely globally. When this ratio drops
below a given threshold, start increasing the time it backs off for up to a
maximum of HZ/10. There are a lot of details to iron out but it's possibly a
better long-term direction than adding a tunable for this implicit magic number
because it would be adaptive to what is happening for the current workload.
--
Mel Gorman
Part-time Phd Student Linux Technology Center
University of Limerick IBM Dublin Software Lab
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-09-20 9:52 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-09-15 12:27 [PATCH 0/8] Reduce latencies and improve overall reclaim efficiency v2 Mel Gorman
2010-09-15 12:27 ` [PATCH 1/8] tracing, vmscan: Add trace events for LRU list shrinking Mel Gorman
2010-09-15 12:27 ` [PATCH 2/8] writeback: Account for time spent congestion_waited Mel Gorman
2010-09-15 12:27 ` [PATCH 3/8] vmscan: Synchronous lumpy reclaim should not call congestion_wait() Mel Gorman
2010-09-15 12:27 ` [PATCH 4/8] vmscan: Narrow the scenarios lumpy reclaim uses synchrounous reclaim Mel Gorman
2010-09-15 12:27 ` [PATCH 5/8] vmscan: Remove dead code in shrink_inactive_list() Mel Gorman
2010-09-15 12:27 ` [PATCH 6/8] vmscan: isolated_lru_pages() stop neighbour search if neighbour cannot be isolated Mel Gorman
2010-09-15 12:27 ` [PATCH 7/8] writeback: Do not sleep on the congestion queue if there are no congested BDIs Mel Gorman
2010-09-16 7:59 ` Minchan Kim
2010-09-16 8:23 ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-15 12:27 ` [PATCH 8/8] writeback: Do not sleep on the congestion queue if there are no congested BDIs or if significant congestion is not being encountered in the current zone Mel Gorman
2010-09-16 8:13 ` Minchan Kim
2010-09-16 9:18 ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-16 14:11 ` Minchan Kim
2010-09-16 15:18 ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-16 22:28 ` Andrew Morton
2010-09-20 9:52 ` Mel Gorman [this message]
2010-09-21 21:44 ` Andrew Morton
2010-09-21 22:10 ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-21 22:24 ` Andrew Morton
2010-09-20 13:05 ` [PATCH] writeback: Do not sleep on the congestion queue if there are no congested BDIs or if significant congestion is not being encounted in the current zone fix Mel Gorman
2010-09-16 22:28 ` [PATCH 0/8] Reduce latencies and improve overall reclaim efficiency v2 Andrew Morton
2010-09-17 7:52 ` Mel Gorman
2010-10-14 15:28 ` Christian Ehrhardt
2010-10-18 13:55 ` Mel Gorman
2010-10-22 12:29 ` Christian Ehrhardt
2010-11-03 10:50 ` Christian Ehrhardt
2010-11-10 14:37 ` Mel Gorman
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