From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>, dave b <db.pub.mail@gmail.com>,
Sanjoy Mahajan <sanjoy@olin.edu>, Jesper Juhl <jj@chaosbits.net>,
Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>,
Aidar Kultayev <the.aidar@gmail.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>,
Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>, Ted Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>,
Corrado Zoccolo <czoccolo@gmail.com>,
Shaohua Li <shaohua.li@intel.com>,
Steven Barrett <damentz@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: 2.6.36 io bring the system to its knees
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 15:20:37 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20101110142037.GA1447@ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20101110013255.GR2715@dastard>
Hi!
> > > As already mentioned, ext3 is just not a good choice for this sort of
> > > thing. Did you have atimes enabled?
> >
> > At least for ext3, more important than atimes is the "data=writeback"
> > setting. Especially since our atime default is sane these days (ie if
> > you don't specify anything, we end up using 'relatime').
> >
> > If you compile your own kernel, answer "N" to the question
> >
> > Default to 'data=ordered' in ext3?
> >
> > at config time (CONFIG_EXT3_DEFAULTS_TO_ORDERED), or you can make sure
> > "data=writeback" is in the fstab (but I don't think everything honors
> > it for the root filesystem).
>
> Don't forget to mention data=writeback is not the default because if
> your system crashes or you lose power running in this mode it will
> *CORRUPT YOUR FILESYSTEM* and you *WILL LOSE DATA*. Not to mention
You will lose your data, but the filesystem should still be
consistent, right? Metadata are still journaled.
> the significant security issues (e.g stale data exposure) that also
> occur even if the filesystem is not corrupted by the crash. IOWs,
I agree on security issues.
Pavel
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2010-10-28 6:09 ` 2.6.36 io bring the system to its knees Aidar Kultayev
2010-10-28 6:32 ` Pekka Enberg
2010-10-28 9:00 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-10-28 9:34 ` Pekka Enberg
2010-10-28 11:16 ` Pekka Enberg
2010-10-28 11:33 ` Aidar Kultayev
2010-10-28 11:48 ` Pekka Enberg
2010-10-28 12:18 ` Aidar Kultayev
2010-10-28 13:46 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-28 13:54 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-10-28 13:30 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-10-28 13:47 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-28 13:50 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-10-28 17:01 ` Chris Mason
2010-10-28 17:57 ` Pekka Enberg
2010-10-29 14:52 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-10-29 15:33 ` Aidar Kultayev
2010-10-30 9:14 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-10-30 13:02 ` Aidar Kultayev
2010-10-30 19:06 ` Chris Mason
2010-10-31 2:31 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-10-31 17:49 ` Corrado Zoccolo
2010-11-02 3:10 ` Shaohua Li
2010-11-02 11:47 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2010-11-02 13:12 ` Chris Mason
2010-11-04 16:05 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2010-11-04 23:35 ` Steven Barrett
2010-11-04 23:44 ` Jesper Juhl
2010-11-04 23:48 ` Jesper Juhl
2010-11-05 1:43 ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-05 12:48 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2010-11-06 14:10 ` dave b
2010-11-06 15:12 ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-07 6:06 ` dave b
2010-11-07 12:08 ` Jens Axboe
2010-11-07 15:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-10 1:32 ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-10 2:01 ` dave b
2010-11-10 8:08 ` Evgeniy Ivanov
2010-11-10 8:24 ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-10 14:22 ` Pavel Machek
2010-11-10 14:20 ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2010-11-10 14:27 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-11-10 14:55 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-10 19:09 ` Pavel Machek
2010-11-10 14:33 ` Theodore Tso
2010-11-10 14:57 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-10 15:00 ` Chris Mason
2010-11-10 23:36 ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-10 15:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-10 16:46 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-11-10 16:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-10 17:10 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-11-10 18:55 ` Mark Lord
2010-11-10 18:27 ` Mike Galbraith
2010-11-10 23:43 ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-06 19:10 ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-11-07 17:16 ` Jesper Juhl
2010-11-09 19:47 ` Evgeniy Ivanov
2010-11-09 20:20 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-09 21:00 ` Chris Mason
2010-10-31 1:22 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-10-31 1:51 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-11-01 1:09 ` Dimitrios Apostolou
2010-11-02 1:20 ` Wu Fengguang
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