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From: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
To: Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>
Cc: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Lee Schermerhorn <lee.schermerhorn@hp.com>,
	linux-numa@vger.kernel.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>, Nick Piggin <npiggin@kernel.dk>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	andi@firstfloor.org, David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH/RFC 0/8] numa - Migrate-on-Fault
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 15:21:22 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20101115142122.GK7269@basil.fritz.box> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1011150809030.19175@router.home>

[Adding linux-mm where this should have been in the first place]

On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 08:13:14AM -0600, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Nov 2010, KOSAKI Motohiro wrote:
> 
> > Nice!
> 
> Lets not get overenthused. There has been no conclusive proof that the
> overhead introduced by automatic migration schemes is consistently less
> than the benefit obtained by moving the data. Quite to the contrary. We
> have over a decades worth of research and attempts on this issue and there
> was no general improvement to be had that way.

I agree it's not a good idea to enable this by default because
the cost of doing it wrong is too severe. But I suspect
it's a good idea to have optionally available for various workloads.

Good candidates so far:

- Virtualization with KVM (I think it's very promising for  that)
Basically this allows to keep guests local on nodes with their
own NUMA policy without having to statically bind them.

- Some HPC workloads. There were various older reports that 
it helped there.

So basically I think automatic migration would be good to have as
another option to enable in numactl.

-Andi
-- 
ak@linux.intel.com -- Speaking for myself only.

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       reply	other threads:[~2010-11-15 14:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 4+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20101111194450.12535.12611.sendpatchset@zaphod.localdomain>
     [not found] ` <20101114152440.E02E.A69D9226@jp.fujitsu.com>
     [not found]   ` <alpine.DEB.2.00.1011150809030.19175@router.home>
2010-11-15 14:21     ` Andi Kleen [this message]
2010-11-15 14:37       ` [PATCH/RFC 0/8] numa - Migrate-on-Fault Andrea Arcangeli
2010-11-16  4:54     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-11-17 14:45       ` Lee Schermerhorn

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