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From: Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>
To: Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>
Cc: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/8] mm: migration: Allow migration to operate asynchronously and avoid synchronous compaction in the faster path
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 18:34:38 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20101118183437.GP8135@csn.ul.ie> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20101118182105.GB30376@random.random>

On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 07:21:06PM +0100, Andrea Arcangeli wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 04:22:45PM +0000, Mel Gorman wrote:
> > @@ -484,6 +486,7 @@ static unsigned long compact_zone_order(struct zone *zone,
> >  		.order = order,
> >  		.migratetype = allocflags_to_migratetype(gfp_mask),
> >  		.zone = zone,
> > +		.sync = false,
> >  	};
> >  	INIT_LIST_HEAD(&cc.freepages);
> >  	INIT_LIST_HEAD(&cc.migratepages);
> 
> I like this because I'm very afraid to avoid wait-I/O latencies
> introduced into hugepage allocations that I prefer to fail quickly and
> be handled later by khugepaged ;).
> 

As you can see from the graphs in the leader, it makes a big difference to
latency as well to avoid sync migration where possible.

> But I could have khugepaged call this with sync=true... so I'd need a
> __GFP_ flag that only khugepaged would use to notify compaction should
> be synchronous for khugepaged (not for the regular allocations in page
> faults). Can we do this through gfp_mask only?
> 

We could pass gfp flags in I guess and abuse __GFP_NO_KSWAPD (from the THP
series obviously)?

> > @@ -500,6 +503,7 @@ unsigned long reclaimcompact_zone_order(struct zone *zone,
> >  		.order = order,
> >  		.migratetype = allocflags_to_migratetype(gfp_mask),
> >  		.zone = zone,
> > +		.sync = true,
> >  	};
> >  	INIT_LIST_HEAD(&cc.freepages);
> >  	INIT_LIST_HEAD(&cc.migratepages);
> 
> Is this intentional?

Yes, it's the "slower" path where we've already reclaim pages and more
willing to wait for the compaction to occur as the alternative is failing
the allocation.

> That inner compaction invocation is
> equivalent to the one one interleaved with the shrinker tried before
> invoking the shrinker. So I don't see why they should differ (one sync
> and one async).
> 

The async one later in the series becomes very light with the heavier
work being done within reclaim if necessary.

> Anyway I'd prefer the inner invocation to be removed as a whole and to
> keep only going with the interleaving and to keep the two jobs of
> compaction and shrinking memory fully separated and to stick to the
> interleaving. If this reclaimcompact_zone_order helps maybe it means
> compact_zone_order isn't doing the right thing and we're hiding it by
> randomly calling it more frequently...
> 

I'll think about it more. I could just leave it at try_to_compact_pages
doing the zonelist scan although it's not immediately occuring to me how I
should decide between sync and async other than "async the first time and
sync after that". The allocator does not have the same "reclaim priority"
awareness that reclaim does.

> I can see a point however in doing:
> 
> compaction async
> shrink (may wait) (scan 500 pages, freed 32 pages)
> compaction sync (may wait)
> 
> to:
> 
> compaction async
> shrink (scan 32 pages, freed 0 pages)
> compaction sync (hugepage generated nobody noticed)
> shrink (scan 32 pages, freed 0 pages)
> compaction sync
> shrink (scan 32 pages, freed 0 pages)
> [..]
> 

-- 
Mel Gorman
Part-time Phd Student                          Linux Technology Center
University of Limerick                         IBM Dublin Software Lab

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  reply	other threads:[~2010-11-18 18:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-11-17 16:22 [PATCH 0/8] Use memory compaction instead of lumpy reclaim during high-order allocations Mel Gorman
2010-11-17 16:22 ` [PATCH 1/8] mm: compaction: Add trace events for memory compaction activity Mel Gorman
2010-11-17 16:22 ` [PATCH 2/8] mm: vmscan: Convert lumpy_mode into a bitmask Mel Gorman
2010-11-17 16:22 ` [PATCH 3/8] mm: vmscan: Reclaim order-0 and use compaction instead of lumpy reclaim Mel Gorman
2010-11-18 18:09   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-11-18 18:30     ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-17 16:22 ` [PATCH 4/8] mm: migration: Allow migration to operate asynchronously and avoid synchronous compaction in the faster path Mel Gorman
2010-11-18 18:21   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-11-18 18:34     ` Mel Gorman [this message]
2010-11-18 19:00       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-11-17 16:22 ` [PATCH 5/8] mm: migration: Cleanup migrate_pages API by matching types for offlining and sync Mel Gorman
2010-11-17 16:22 ` [PATCH 6/8] mm: compaction: Perform a faster scan in try_to_compact_pages() Mel Gorman
2010-11-18 18:34   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-11-18 18:50     ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-18 19:08       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-11-19 11:16         ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-17 16:22 ` [PATCH 7/8] mm: compaction: Use the LRU to get a hint on where compaction should start Mel Gorman
2010-11-18  9:10   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-11-18  9:28     ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-18 18:46   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-11-19 11:08     ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-17 16:22 ` [PATCH 8/8] mm: vmscan: Rename lumpy_mode to reclaim_mode Mel Gorman
2010-11-17 23:46 ` [PATCH 0/8] Use memory compaction instead of lumpy reclaim during high-order allocations Andrew Morton
2010-11-18  2:03   ` Rik van Riel
2010-11-18  8:12   ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-18  8:26     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-11-18  8:38       ` Johannes Weiner
2010-11-18  9:20         ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-18 19:49           ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-19 10:48             ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-19 12:43               ` Theodore Tso
2010-11-19 14:05                 ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-19 15:45                   ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-18  8:44       ` Mel Gorman

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