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From: Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>,
	linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Nick Piggin <npiggin@kernel.dk>
Subject: Re: [RFC 1/2] deactive invalidated pages
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 09:38:59 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20101123093859.GE19571@csn.ul.ie> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20101122210132.be9962c7.akpm@linux-foundation.org>

On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 09:01:32PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 13:52:05 +0900 Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > >> +/*
> > >> + * Function used to forecefully demote a page to the head of the inactive
> > >> + * list.
> > >> + */
> > >
> > > This comment is wrong? __The page gets moved to the _tail_ of the
> > > inactive list?
> > 
> > No. I add it in _head_ of the inactive list intentionally.
> > Why I don't add it to _tail_ is that I don't want to be aggressive.
> > The page might be real working set. So I want to give a chance to
> > activate it again.
> 
> Well..  why?  The user just tried to toss the page away altogether.  If
> the kernel wasn't able to do that immediately, the best it can do is to
> toss the page away asap?
> 

I'm just guessing here on the motivation but maybe it is in case FADV_DONENEED
was called on a page in use by another process (via read/write more do than
being mapped). Process A says "I don't need this" but by moving it to the
head of the list we give Process B a chance to reference it and reactivate
without incurring a major fault?

> > If it's not working set, it can be reclaimed easily and it can prevent
> > active page demotion since inactive list size would be big enough for
> > not calling shrink_active_list.
> 
> What is "working set"?  Mapped and unmapped pagecache, or are you
> referring solely to mapped pagecache?
> 
> If it's mapped pagecache then the user was being a bit silly (or didn't
> know that some other process had mapped the file).  In which case we
> need to decide what to do - leave the page alone, deactivate it, or
> half-deactivate it as this patch does.
> 

What are the odds of an fadvise() user having used mincore() in advance
to determine if the page was in use by another process? I would guess
"low" so this half-deactivate gives a chance for the page to be promoted
again as well as a chance for the flusher threads to clean the page if
it really is to be reclaimed.

-- 
Mel Gorman
Part-time Phd Student                          Linux Technology Center
University of Limerick                         IBM Dublin Software Lab

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-11-23  9:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-11-21 14:30 [RFC 1/2] deactive invalidated pages Minchan Kim
2010-11-21 14:30 ` [RFC 2/2] Prevent promotion of page in madvise_dontneed Minchan Kim
2010-11-21 14:38   ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-21 16:34   ` Ben Gamari
2010-11-22  0:31     ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-22 22:21   ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-23  4:57     ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-23  9:50     ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-23 23:49       ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-21 15:21 ` [RFC 1/2] deactive invalidated pages Ben Gamari
2010-11-23  7:16   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-11-23 13:48     ` Ben Gamari
2010-11-23 23:48       ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-23 14:49     ` [RFC PATCH] fadvise support in rsync Ben Gamari
2010-11-23 15:35       ` Pádraig Brady
2010-11-24  0:17       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-11-23 14:49     ` [PATCH 1/3] Add fadvise interface wrapper Ben Gamari
2010-11-23 14:49     ` [PATCH 2/3] Inform kernel of FADV_DONTNEED hint in sender Ben Gamari
2010-11-23 14:49     ` [PATCH 3/3] Inform kernel of FADV_DONTNEED hint in receiver Ben Gamari
2010-11-22  1:17 ` [RFC 1/2] deactive invalidated pages Rik van Riel
2010-11-22 22:14 ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-23  4:52   ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-23  5:01     ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-23  5:23       ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-23  5:22         ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-23  5:45           ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-23  5:48             ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-23  6:05               ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-23  7:15                 ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-23  7:44                   ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-23  7:53                     ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-23  8:02                       ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-23  9:43               ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-23 23:32                 ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-23  9:38       ` Mel Gorman [this message]
2010-11-23 14:55         ` Ben Gamari
2010-11-23 14:58           ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-23 20:35             ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-23 22:10               ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-23 23:45                 ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-24 18:01                   ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-23  7:16 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-11-23  7:40   ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-23  7:42     ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-23  8:01     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-11-23  8:44       ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-23  9:02         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-11-23  9:05           ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-23  9:07             ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-23 14:57   ` Ben Gamari
2010-11-24  0:13     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-11-23  9:28 ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-23 23:24   ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-24 10:02     ` Mel Gorman

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