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From: Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Ben Gamari <bgamari@gmail.com>,
	Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>,
	linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Nick Piggin <npiggin@kernel.dk>
Subject: Re: [RFC 1/2] deactive invalidated pages
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 22:10:49 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20101123221049.GR19571@csn.ul.ie> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20101123123535.438e9750.akpm@linux-foundation.org>

On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 12:35:35PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 14:58:56 +0000
> Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie> wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 09:55:49AM -0500, Ben Gamari wrote:
> > > On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 09:38:59 +0000, Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie> wrote:
> > > > > If it's mapped pagecache then the user was being a bit silly (or didn't
> > > > > know that some other process had mapped the file).  In which case we
> > > > > need to decide what to do - leave the page alone, deactivate it, or
> > > > > half-deactivate it as this patch does.
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > What are the odds of an fadvise() user having used mincore() in advance
> > > > to determine if the page was in use by another process? I would guess
> > > > "low" so this half-deactivate gives a chance for the page to be promoted
> > > > again as well as a chance for the flusher threads to clean the page if
> > > > it really is to be reclaimed.
> > > > 
> > > Do we really want to make the user jump through such hoops as using
> > > mincore() just to get the kernel to handle use-once pages properly?
> > 
> > I would think "no" which is why I support half-deactivating pages so they won't
> > have to.
> 
> If the page is page_mapped() then we can assume that some other process
> is using it and we leave it alone *altogether*.
> 

Agreed, that makes perfect sense.

> If the page is dirty or under writeback (and !page_mapped()) then we
> should assume that we should free it asap.  The PageReclaim() trick
> might help with that.
> 

Again agreed.

> I just don't see any argument for moving the page to the head of the
> inactive LRU as a matter of policy.  We can park it there because we
> can't think of anythnig else to do with it, but it's the wrong place
> for it.
> 

Is there a better alternative? One thing that springs to mind is that we are
not exactly tracking very well what effect these policy changes have. The
analysis scripts I have do a reasonable job on tracking reclaim activity
(although only as part of the mmtests tarball, I should split them out as
a standalone tool) but not the impact - namely minor and major faults. I
should sort that out so we can put better reclaim analysis in place.

-- 
Mel Gorman
Part-time Phd Student                          Linux Technology Center
University of Limerick                         IBM Dublin Software Lab

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  reply	other threads:[~2010-11-23 22:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-11-21 14:30 [RFC 1/2] deactive invalidated pages Minchan Kim
2010-11-21 14:30 ` [RFC 2/2] Prevent promotion of page in madvise_dontneed Minchan Kim
2010-11-21 14:38   ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-21 16:34   ` Ben Gamari
2010-11-22  0:31     ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-22 22:21   ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-23  4:57     ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-23  9:50     ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-23 23:49       ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-21 15:21 ` [RFC 1/2] deactive invalidated pages Ben Gamari
2010-11-23  7:16   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-11-23 13:48     ` Ben Gamari
2010-11-23 23:48       ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-23 14:49     ` [RFC PATCH] fadvise support in rsync Ben Gamari
2010-11-23 15:35       ` Pádraig Brady
2010-11-24  0:17       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-11-23 14:49     ` [PATCH 1/3] Add fadvise interface wrapper Ben Gamari
2010-11-23 14:49     ` [PATCH 2/3] Inform kernel of FADV_DONTNEED hint in sender Ben Gamari
2010-11-23 14:49     ` [PATCH 3/3] Inform kernel of FADV_DONTNEED hint in receiver Ben Gamari
2010-11-22  1:17 ` [RFC 1/2] deactive invalidated pages Rik van Riel
2010-11-22 22:14 ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-23  4:52   ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-23  5:01     ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-23  5:23       ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-23  5:22         ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-23  5:45           ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-23  5:48             ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-23  6:05               ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-23  7:15                 ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-23  7:44                   ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-23  7:53                     ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-23  8:02                       ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-23  9:43               ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-23 23:32                 ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-23  9:38       ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-23 14:55         ` Ben Gamari
2010-11-23 14:58           ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-23 20:35             ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-23 22:10               ` Mel Gorman [this message]
2010-11-23 23:45                 ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-24 18:01                   ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-23  7:16 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-11-23  7:40   ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-23  7:42     ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-23  8:01     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-11-23  8:44       ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-23  9:02         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-11-23  9:05           ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-23  9:07             ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-23 14:57   ` Ben Gamari
2010-11-24  0:13     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-11-23  9:28 ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-23 23:24   ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-24 10:02     ` Mel Gorman

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