From: Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Ben Gamari <bgamari@gmail.com>,
Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>,
linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
Nick Piggin <npiggin@kernel.dk>
Subject: Re: [RFC 1/2] deactive invalidated pages
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 22:10:49 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20101123221049.GR19571@csn.ul.ie> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20101123123535.438e9750.akpm@linux-foundation.org>
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 12:35:35PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 14:58:56 +0000
> Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 09:55:49AM -0500, Ben Gamari wrote:
> > > On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 09:38:59 +0000, Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie> wrote:
> > > > > If it's mapped pagecache then the user was being a bit silly (or didn't
> > > > > know that some other process had mapped the file). In which case we
> > > > > need to decide what to do - leave the page alone, deactivate it, or
> > > > > half-deactivate it as this patch does.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > What are the odds of an fadvise() user having used mincore() in advance
> > > > to determine if the page was in use by another process? I would guess
> > > > "low" so this half-deactivate gives a chance for the page to be promoted
> > > > again as well as a chance for the flusher threads to clean the page if
> > > > it really is to be reclaimed.
> > > >
> > > Do we really want to make the user jump through such hoops as using
> > > mincore() just to get the kernel to handle use-once pages properly?
> >
> > I would think "no" which is why I support half-deactivating pages so they won't
> > have to.
>
> If the page is page_mapped() then we can assume that some other process
> is using it and we leave it alone *altogether*.
>
Agreed, that makes perfect sense.
> If the page is dirty or under writeback (and !page_mapped()) then we
> should assume that we should free it asap. The PageReclaim() trick
> might help with that.
>
Again agreed.
> I just don't see any argument for moving the page to the head of the
> inactive LRU as a matter of policy. We can park it there because we
> can't think of anythnig else to do with it, but it's the wrong place
> for it.
>
Is there a better alternative? One thing that springs to mind is that we are
not exactly tracking very well what effect these policy changes have. The
analysis scripts I have do a reasonable job on tracking reclaim activity
(although only as part of the mmtests tarball, I should split them out as
a standalone tool) but not the impact - namely minor and major faults. I
should sort that out so we can put better reclaim analysis in place.
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Mel Gorman
Part-time Phd Student Linux Technology Center
University of Limerick IBM Dublin Software Lab
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-11-23 22:11 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-11-21 14:30 [RFC 1/2] deactive invalidated pages Minchan Kim
2010-11-21 14:30 ` [RFC 2/2] Prevent promotion of page in madvise_dontneed Minchan Kim
2010-11-21 14:38 ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-21 16:34 ` Ben Gamari
2010-11-22 0:31 ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-22 22:21 ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-23 4:57 ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-23 9:50 ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-23 23:49 ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-21 15:21 ` [RFC 1/2] deactive invalidated pages Ben Gamari
2010-11-23 7:16 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-11-23 13:48 ` Ben Gamari
2010-11-23 23:48 ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-23 14:49 ` [RFC PATCH] fadvise support in rsync Ben Gamari
2010-11-23 15:35 ` Pádraig Brady
2010-11-24 0:17 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-11-23 14:49 ` [PATCH 1/3] Add fadvise interface wrapper Ben Gamari
2010-11-23 14:49 ` [PATCH 2/3] Inform kernel of FADV_DONTNEED hint in sender Ben Gamari
2010-11-23 14:49 ` [PATCH 3/3] Inform kernel of FADV_DONTNEED hint in receiver Ben Gamari
2010-11-22 1:17 ` [RFC 1/2] deactive invalidated pages Rik van Riel
2010-11-22 22:14 ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-23 4:52 ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-23 5:01 ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-23 5:23 ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-23 5:22 ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-23 5:45 ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-23 5:48 ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-23 6:05 ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-23 7:15 ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-23 7:44 ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-23 7:53 ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-23 8:02 ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-23 9:43 ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-23 23:32 ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-23 9:38 ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-23 14:55 ` Ben Gamari
2010-11-23 14:58 ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-23 20:35 ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-23 22:10 ` Mel Gorman [this message]
2010-11-23 23:45 ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-24 18:01 ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-23 7:16 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-11-23 7:40 ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-23 7:42 ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-23 8:01 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-11-23 8:44 ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-23 9:02 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-11-23 9:05 ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-23 9:07 ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-23 14:57 ` Ben Gamari
2010-11-24 0:13 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-11-23 9:28 ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-23 23:24 ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-24 10:02 ` Mel Gorman
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