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From: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
To: Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>
Cc: Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	shaohua.li@intel.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] percpu: preemptless __per_cpu_counter_add
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 16:58:37 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110421145837.GB22898@htj.dyndns.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110421144300.GA22898@htj.dyndns.org>

Hello, Christoph, Shaohua.

On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 04:43:00PM +0200, Tejun Heo wrote:
> > In order to make it simple I avoided an preempt enable/disable. With
> > Shaohua's patches there will be a simple atomic_add within the last if
> > cluase. I was able to consolidate multiple code paths into the cmpxchg
> > loop with this approach.
> > 
> > The one below avoids the #ifdef that is ugly...
> 
> That said, combined with Shaohua's patch, maybe it's better this way.
> Let's see...

Unfortunately, I have a new concern for __percpu_counter_sum(), which
applies to both your and Shaohua's change.  Before these changes,
percpu_counter->lock protects whole of batch transfer.  IOW, while
__percpu_counter_sum() is holding ->lock, it can be sure that batch
transfer from percpu counter to the main counter isn't in progress and
that the deviation it might see is limited by the number of on-going
percpu inc/dec's which is much lower than batch transfers.

With the proposed changes to percpu counter, this no longer holds.
cl's patch de-couples local counter update from the global counter
update and __percpu_counter_sum() can see batch amount of deviation
per concurrent updater making the whole visit-each-counter thing more
or less meaningless.  This, however, can be fixed by putting the whole
slow path inside spin_lock() as suggested before so that the whole
batch transferring from local to global is enclosed inside spinlock.

Unfortunately, Shaohua's atomic64_t update ain't that easy.  The whole
point of that update was avoiding spinlocks in favor of atomic64_t,
which naturally collides with the ability to enclosing local and
global updates into the same exclusion block, which is necessary for
__percpu_counter_sum() accuracy.

So, Christoph, please put the whole slow path inside spin_lock().
Shaohua, unfortunately, I think your change is caught inbetween rock
and hard place.  Any ideas?

Thanks.

-- 
tejun

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  reply	other threads:[~2011-04-21 14:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-04-13 14:45 percpu: preemptless __per_cpu_counter_add Christoph Lameter
2011-04-13 16:49 ` Christoph Lameter
2011-04-13 18:56   ` Tejun Heo
2011-04-13 20:22     ` [PATCH] " Christoph Lameter
2011-04-13 21:50       ` Tejun Heo
2011-04-13 22:17         ` Christoph Lameter
2011-04-13 22:23           ` Christoph Lameter
2011-04-13 23:55             ` Tejun Heo
2011-04-14  2:00               ` Eric Dumazet
2011-04-14  2:14       ` Eric Dumazet
2011-04-14 21:10         ` Christoph Lameter
2011-04-14 21:15           ` Tejun Heo
2011-04-15 17:37             ` Christoph Lameter
2011-04-15 18:27               ` Tejun Heo
2011-04-15 19:43                 ` Christoph Lameter
2011-04-15 23:52                   ` Tejun Heo
2011-04-18 14:38                     ` Christoph Lameter
2011-04-21 14:43                       ` Tejun Heo
2011-04-21 14:58                         ` Tejun Heo [this message]
2011-04-21 17:50                           ` Christoph Lameter
2011-04-21 18:01                             ` Tejun Heo
2011-04-21 18:20                               ` Christoph Lameter
2011-04-21 18:37                                 ` Tejun Heo
2011-04-21 18:54                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2011-04-21 19:08                                     ` Tejun Heo
2011-04-22  2:33                                       ` Shaohua Li
2011-04-26 12:10                                         ` Tejun Heo
2011-04-26 19:02                                           ` Hugh Dickins
2011-04-27 10:28                                             ` Tejun Heo
2011-04-27  5:43                                           ` Shaohua Li
2011-04-27 10:20                                             ` Tejun Heo
2011-04-28  3:28                                               ` Shaohua Li
2011-04-28 10:09                                                 ` Tejun Heo
2011-04-28 14:11                                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2011-04-28 14:23                                                     ` Tejun Heo
2011-04-28 14:30                                                       ` Tejun Heo
2011-04-28 14:58                                                         ` Christoph Lameter
2011-04-28 14:42                                                       ` Christoph Lameter
2011-04-28 14:44                                                         ` Tejun Heo
2011-04-28 14:52                                                           ` Christoph Lameter
2011-04-28 14:56                                                             ` Tejun Heo
2011-04-28 15:05                                                               ` Christoph Lameter
2011-04-28 15:12                                                                 ` Tejun Heo
2011-04-28 15:22                                                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2011-04-28 15:31                                                                     ` Tejun Heo
2011-04-28 15:40                                                                       ` Tejun Heo
2011-04-28 15:47                                                                         ` Christoph Lameter
2011-04-28 15:48                                                                     ` Eric Dumazet
2011-04-28 15:59                                                                       ` Eric Dumazet
2011-04-28 16:17                                                                         ` Christoph Lameter
2011-04-28 16:35                                                                           ` Eric Dumazet
2011-04-28 16:52                                                                             ` Christoph Lameter
2011-04-28 16:59                                                                               ` Eric Dumazet
2011-04-29  8:52                                                                                 ` Tejun Heo
2011-04-29  8:32                                                                             ` Shaohua Li
2011-04-29  8:19                                                   ` Shaohua Li
2011-04-29  8:44                                                     ` Tejun Heo
2011-04-29 14:02                                                       ` Christoph Lameter
2011-04-29 14:03                                                         ` Christoph Lameter
2011-04-29 14:18                                                         ` Tejun Heo
2011-04-29 14:25                                                           ` Christoph Lameter
2011-04-29 14:43                                                             ` Tejun Heo
2011-04-29 14:55                                                               ` Christoph Lameter
2011-05-05  4:08                                                               ` Shaohua Li

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