From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
Cc: Miklos Szeredi <mszeredi@suse.cz>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>,
Jay <jinshan.xiong@whamcloud.com>,
stable@kernel.org, Nick Piggin <npiggin@kernel.dk>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm: Fix assertion mapping->nrpages == 0 in end_writeback()
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 15:14:01 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110613151401.51b539a0.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110613220144.GL4907@quack.suse.cz>
On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 00:01:44 +0200
Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz> wrote:
> On Wed 08-06-11 18:36:43, Jan Kara wrote:
> > On Tue 07-06-11 14:33:01, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > > On Tue, 07 Jun 2011 07:46:37 +0200
> > > Miklos Szeredi <mszeredi@suse.cz> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > Either way, I don't think that the uglypatch expresses a full
> > > > > understanding of te bug ;)
> > > >
> > > > I don't see a better way, how would we make nrpages update atomically
> > > > wrt the radix-tree while using only RCU?
> > > >
> > > > The question is, does it matter that those two can get temporarily out
> > > > of sync?
> > > >
> > > > In case of inode eviction it does, not only because of that BUG_ON, but
> > > > because page reclaim must be somehow synchronised with eviction.
> > > > Otherwise it may access tree_lock on the mapping of an already freed
> > > > inode.
> > > >
> > > > In other cases? AFAICS it doesn't matter. Most ->nrpages accesses
> > > > weren't under tree_lock before Nick's RCUification, so their use were
> > > > just optimization.
> > >
> > > Gee, we've made a bit of a mess here.
> > >
> > > Rather than bodging around particualr codesites where that mess exposes
> > > itself, how about we step back and work out what our design is here,
> > > then implement it and check that all sites comply with it?
> > >
> > > What is the relationship between the radix-tree and nrpages? What are
> > > the locking rules? Can anyone come up with a one-sentence proposal?
> > AFAIU, nrpages and radix-tree are consistent under tree_lock.
> >
> > nrpages is only used (well, apart from shmfs and other filesystems which
> > use the value as a guess how much should they expect to write or similar
> > heuristics) to test mapping->nrpages == 0 and the test is performed without
> > any synchronization which looks natural because we later do only
> > rcu-protected lookups anyway. So it seems it's expected the test is
> > unreliable and we just use it to make things faster. The same race as with
> > nrpages test can happen during the radix tree lookup anyway...
> >
> > I went through the tests and the only place which seems to really care
> > about the races with __add_to_page_cache() or __delete_from_page_cache()
> > is when the inode should be removed from memory. There we have to be
> > careful. Races with __add_to_page_cache() cannot happen because there is
> > noone who could trigger addition of new page to the inode being evicted.
> > Races with __delete_from_page_cache() are possible though...
> Andrew, any opinion on this? I'd like to get the bug fixed... I'll
> happily move the nrpages check in end_writeback() under the spinlock if
> people find that nicer. That place really looks like the only one which
> depends on nrpages being consistent and uptodate.
That seems a cleaner way of avoiding one manifestation of the bug.
But what *is* the bug? That we've made nrpages incoherent with the
state of the tree? Or is it simply that the rule has always been "you
must hold tree_lock to access nrpages", and the rcuification exposed
that?
I want to actually fix this stuff up and get a good clear design which
we can describe and understand. No band-aids, please. Not in here.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-06-13 22:14 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-05-30 9:37 [PATCH] mm: Fix assertion mapping->nrpages == 0 in end_writeback() Jan Kara
2011-06-06 22:16 ` Andrew Morton
2011-06-07 5:46 ` Miklos Szeredi
2011-06-07 18:22 ` Jinshan Xiong
2011-06-08 16:40 ` Jan Kara
2011-06-08 20:10 ` Jinshan Xiong
2011-06-07 21:33 ` Andrew Morton
2011-06-08 16:36 ` Jan Kara
2011-06-13 22:01 ` Jan Kara
2011-06-13 22:14 ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2011-06-13 22:49 ` Jan Kara
2011-06-13 22:58 ` Andrew Morton
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