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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
Cc: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>,
	Russell King <rmk@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	Paul Mundt <lethal@linux-sh.org>, Jeff Dike <jdike@addtoit.com>,
	Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>,
	Tony Luck <tony.luck@intel.com>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>, Nick Piggin <npiggin@kernel.dk>,
	Namhyung Kim <namhyung@gmail.com>,
	ak@linux.intel.com, shaohua.li@intel.com, alex.shi@intel.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] Re: REGRESSION: Performance regressions from switching anon_vma->lock to mutex
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 00:38:37 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110616223837.GA18431@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1308262883.2516.71.camel@pasglop>


* Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org> wrote:

> On Thu, 2011-06-16 at 22:25 +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> 
> > > Whatever does the boosting will need to have process context 
> > > and can be subject to delays, so that pretty much needs to be a 
> > > kthread. But it will context-switch quite rarely, so should not 
> > > be a problem.
> > 
> > So user-return notifiers ought to be the ideal platform for that, 
> > right? We don't even have to touch the scheduler: anything that 
> > schedules will eventually return to user-space, at which point 
> > the RCU GC magic can run.
> > 
> > And user-return-notifiers can be triggered from IRQs as well.
> > 
> > That allows us to get rid of softirqs altogether and maybe even 
> > speed the whole thing up and allow it to be isolated better.
> 
> I'm a little worried of relying on things returning to userspace.
> 
> One could imagine something like a router appliance where userspace 
> is essentially asleep forever and everything happens in the kernel 
> (networking via softirq, maybe NFS kernel server, ...)

There's a crazy solution for that: the idle thread could process RCU 
callbacks carefully, as if it was running user-space code.

/me runs

Ok, joke aside: this is simply a special case where the idle thread 
generates RCU work via hardirqs. The idle thread is arguably special 
and could be handled in a special way: a helper thread that executes 
only in this case?

Thanks,

	Ingo

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  reply	other threads:[~2011-06-16 22:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-06-15  0:29 REGRESSION: Performance regressions from switching anon_vma->lock to mutex Tim Chen
2011-06-15  0:36 ` Andi Kleen
2011-06-17 19:07   ` Ingo Molnar
2011-06-15  1:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-06-15  3:42   ` Linus Torvalds
2011-06-15  1:26 ` Shaohua Li
2011-06-15 11:52   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-06-15 12:49     ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-06-15 16:18     ` Andi Kleen
2011-06-15 16:45       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-06-15 16:47         ` Andi Kleen
2011-06-15 18:43         ` Tim Chen
2011-06-15 20:32           ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-06-15 20:57             ` Andi Kleen
2011-06-15 21:12               ` Tim Chen
2011-06-15 21:37                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-06-15 21:51                   ` Linus Torvalds
2011-06-15 22:19                     ` Andi Kleen
2011-06-16  0:16                       ` Linus Torvalds
2011-06-16 20:14                         ` Andi Kleen
2011-06-16 20:37                           ` Linus Torvalds
2011-06-17  0:24                             ` Andi Kleen
2011-06-17  9:13                               ` Ingo Molnar
2011-06-15 22:15                   ` Andi Kleen
2011-06-16  1:08                   ` Tim Chen
2011-06-16  1:50                   ` Linus Torvalds
2011-06-16 20:26                     ` Tim Chen
2011-06-16 20:47                       ` Linus Torvalds
2011-06-16 21:05                         ` Linus Torvalds
2011-06-16 21:06                           ` Linus Torvalds
2011-06-16 21:26                             ` Linus Torvalds
2011-06-17  3:58                               ` Linus Torvalds
2011-06-17 11:28                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-06-17 11:54                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-06-17 16:36                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2011-06-17 17:41                                     ` Hugh Dickins
2011-06-17 17:55                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-06-17 18:01                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2011-06-17 18:18                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-06-17 18:32                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-06-17 18:39                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2011-06-17 18:41                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2011-06-17 20:19                                               ` Tim Chen
2011-06-17 22:20                                               ` Hugh Dickins
2011-06-18  4:47                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-06-17 19:53                                             ` [PATCH] mm, memory-failure: Fix spinlock vs mutex order Peter Zijlstra
2011-06-17 20:04                                               ` Andi Kleen
2011-06-17 16:46                                   ` REGRESSION: Performance regressions from switching anon_vma->lock to mutex Linus Torvalds
2011-06-17 17:28                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2011-06-17 19:40                                     ` Andi Kleen
2011-06-18  8:08                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2011-06-17 18:22                                 ` Tim Chen
2011-06-17 19:05                                   ` Ray Lee
2011-06-16 22:00                           ` Andi Kleen
2011-06-15 10:36 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-06-15 10:58   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-06-15 11:41     ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-06-15 19:11     ` Linus Torvalds
2011-06-15 19:24       ` Andrew Morton
2011-06-15 20:16         ` Ingo Molnar
2011-06-15 20:55           ` Linus Torvalds
2011-06-15 20:12       ` [GIT PULL] " Ingo Molnar
2011-06-15 20:29         ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-06-15 20:47           ` Linus Torvalds
2011-06-15 20:54             ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-06-15 21:05         ` Linus Torvalds
2011-06-15 21:15           ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-06-15 21:27             ` Linus Torvalds
2011-06-16  7:03           ` Ingo Molnar
2011-06-16 17:16             ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-06-16 20:25               ` Ingo Molnar
2011-06-16 21:01                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-06-16 23:02                   ` Ingo Molnar
2011-06-17 15:19                     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2011-06-16 21:02                 ` Andi Kleen
2011-06-16 22:21                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-06-16 22:38                   ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2011-06-16 22:47                     ` Andi Kleen
2011-06-16 22:58                       ` Ingo Molnar
2011-06-17  0:45                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-06-17  9:43                           ` Ingo Molnar
2011-06-17 16:48                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-06-16 23:37                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-06-15 20:13       ` Tim Chen
2011-06-15 20:17         ` Ingo Molnar
2011-06-15 20:21           ` Tim Chen

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