From: Johannes Weiner <jweiner@redhat.com>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
Michel Lespinasse <walken@google.com>,
Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>,
Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
Shaohua Li <shaohua.li@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] page count lock for simpler put_page
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 21:05:57 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110812190557.GD29086@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110812181306.GO2395@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 11:13:06AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 07:52:06PM +0200, Johannes Weiner wrote:
> > On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 07:08:23PM +0200, Andrea Arcangeli wrote:
> > > On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 06:57:49PM +0200, Johannes Weiner wrote:
> > > > I understand you want to be careful with the promises you make in the
> > > > API. How about not even exposing the check for whether a grace period
> > > > elapsed, but instead provide a specialized synchronize_rcu()?
> > > >
> > > > Something like
> > > >
> > > > void synchronize_rcu_with(rcu_time_t time)
> > > >
> > > > that only promises all readers from the specified time are finished.
> > > >
> > > > [ And synchronize_rcu() would be equivalent to
> > > > synchronize_rcu_with(rcu_current_time()) if I am not mistaken. ]
> > > >
> > > > Then you wouldn't need to worry about how the return value of
> > > > rcu_cookie_gp_elapsed() might be interpreted, could freely implement
> > > > it equal to synchronize_rcu() on TINY_RCU, the false positives with
> > > > small cookies would not be about correctness but merely performance.
> > > >
> > > > And it should still be all that which the THP case requires.
> > > >
> > > > Would that work?
> > >
> > > rcu_time_t would still be an unsigned long long like I suggested?
> >
> > Do we even need to make this fixed? It can be unsigned long long for
> > now, but I could imagine leaving it up to the user depending how much
> > space she is able/willing to invest to save time:
> >
> > void synchronize_rcu_with(unsigned long time, unsigned int bits)
> > {
> > if (generation_counter & ((1 << bits) - 1) == time)
> > synchronize_rcu();
> > }
>
> This is indeed more convenient for this particular use case, but suppose
> that the caller instead wanted to use call_rcu()?
I don't quite understand. call_rcu() will always schedule the
callbacks for execution after a grace period. So the only use case I
can see--executing the callback ASAP as the required grace period has
already elapsed--would still require an extra argument to call_rcu()
for it to properly schedule the callback, no? I.e.
call_rcu_after(head, func, generation)
What am I missing that would make the existing call_rcu() useful in
combination with rcu_cookie_gp_elapsed()?
> The API I am currently proposing allows either synchronize_rcu() or
> call_rcu() to be used. In addition, it allows alternative
> algorithms, for example:
>
> rcu_get_gp_cookie(&wherever);
>
> ...
>
> if (rcu_cookie_gp_elapsed(&wherever))
> p = old_pointer; /* now safe to re-use. */
> else
> p = kmalloc( ... ); /* can't re-use, so get new memory. */
I have to admit that I am not imaginative enough right now to put this
in a real life scenario. But it does look more flexible.
Though it must be made clear that it may never return true, so
anything essential (like _freeing_ old memory) may never rely on it.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-08-12 19:06 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-08-04 21:07 [RFC PATCH 0/3] page count lock for simpler put_page Michel Lespinasse
2011-08-04 21:07 ` [RFC PATCH 1/3] mm: Replace naked page->_count accesses with accessor functions Michel Lespinasse
2011-08-04 21:07 ` [RFC PATCH 2/3] mm: page count lock Michel Lespinasse
2011-08-07 14:00 ` Minchan Kim
2011-08-04 21:07 ` [RFC PATCH 3/3] mm: get_first_page_unless_zero() Michel Lespinasse
2011-08-07 14:13 ` Minchan Kim
2011-08-05 6:39 ` [RFC PATCH 0/3] page count lock for simpler put_page Michel Lespinasse
2011-08-07 14:25 ` Minchan Kim
2011-08-09 11:04 ` Michel Lespinasse
2011-08-09 22:22 ` Minchan Kim
2011-08-12 22:35 ` Michel Lespinasse
2011-08-13 4:07 ` Minchan Kim
2011-08-12 15:36 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-08-12 16:08 ` SPAM: " Paul E. McKenney
2011-08-12 16:43 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-08-12 17:27 ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-08-12 23:45 ` Michel Lespinasse
2011-08-13 1:57 ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-08-13 23:56 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-08-13 4:18 ` Minchan Kim
2011-08-12 16:57 ` Johannes Weiner
2011-08-12 17:08 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-08-12 17:52 ` Johannes Weiner
2011-08-12 18:13 ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-08-12 19:05 ` Johannes Weiner [this message]
2011-08-12 22:14 ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-08-12 22:22 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-08-12 18:03 ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-08-12 17:41 ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-08-12 17:56 ` Johannes Weiner
2011-08-12 23:02 ` Michel Lespinasse
2011-08-12 22:50 ` Michel Lespinasse
2011-08-13 4:11 ` Minchan Kim
2011-08-12 16:58 ` Andrea Arcangeli
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