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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>
To: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
Cc: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	Konstantin Khlebnikov <khlebnikov@openvz.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] oom: skip frozen tasks
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 10:56:10 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110826085610.GA9083@tiehlicka.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110826070946.GA7280@tiehlicka.suse.cz>

On Fri 26-08-11 09:09:46, Michal Hocko wrote:
> On Thu 25-08-11 14:14:20, David Rientjes wrote:
> > On Thu, 25 Aug 2011, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > 
> > > > > > That's obviously false since we call oom_killer_disable() in 
> > > > > > freeze_processes() to disable the oom killer from ever being called in the 
> > > > > > first place, so this is something you need to resolve with Rafael before 
> > > > > > you cause more machines to panic.
> > > > >
> > > > > I didn't mean suspend/resume path (that is protected by oom_killer_disabled)
> > > > > so the patch doesn't make any change.
> > > > 
> > > > Confused... freeze_processes() does try_to_freeze_tasks() before
> > > > oom_killer_disable() ?
> > > 
> > > Yes you are right, I must have been blind. 
> > > 
> > > Now I see the point. We do not want to panic while we are suspending and
> > > the memory is really low just because all the userspace is already in
> > > the the fridge.
> > > Sorry for confusion.
> > > 
> > > I still do not follow the oom_killer_disable note from David, though.
> > > 
> > 
> > oom_killer_disable() was added to that path for a reason when all threads 
> > are frozen: memory allocations still occur in the suspend path in an oom 
> > condition and adding the oom_killer_disable() will cause those 
> > allocations to fail rather than sending pointless SIGKILLs to frozen 
> > threads.
> > 
> > Now consider if the only _eligible_ threads for oom kill (because of 
> > cpusets or mempolicies) are those that are frozen.  We certainly do not 
> > want to panic because other cpusets are still getting work done.  We'd 
> > either want to add a mem to the cpuset or thaw the processes because the 
> > cpuset is oom.
> 
> Sure.
> 
> > 
> > You can't just selectively skip certain threads when their state can be 
> > temporary without risking a panic.  That's why this patch is a 
> > non-starter.
> > 
> > A much better solution would be to lower the badness score that the oom 
> > killer uses for PF_FROZEN threads so that they aren't considered a 
> > priority for kill unless there's nothing else left to kill.
> 
> Yes, sounds better.

.. but still not sufficient. We also have to thaw the process
as well. Just a quick hacked up patch (not tested, just for an
illustration).
Would something like this work?
--- 

  reply	other threads:[~2011-08-26  8:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-08-23  8:31 [PATCH] oom: skip frozen tasks Konstantin Khlebnikov
2011-08-23  9:15 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-08-23 13:46 ` Michal Hocko
2011-08-23 20:18 ` David Rientjes
2011-08-24 10:19   ` Michal Hocko
2011-08-24 19:31     ` David Rientjes
2011-08-25  9:19       ` Michal Hocko
2011-08-25 15:18         ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-25 16:47           ` Michal Hocko
2011-08-25 21:14             ` David Rientjes
2011-08-26  7:09               ` Michal Hocko
2011-08-26  8:56                 ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2011-08-26  9:21                   ` David Rientjes
2011-08-26  9:53                     ` Michal Hocko
2011-08-26 11:01                       ` Michal Hocko
2011-08-26 18:13                       ` David Rientjes
2011-09-26  8:28                         ` [PATCH 1/2] oom: do not live lock on " Michal Hocko
2011-09-26  8:56                           ` David Rientjes
2011-09-26  9:14                             ` Michal Hocko
2011-09-26  9:25                               ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-09-26  9:32                                 ` Michal Hocko
2011-09-26 15:51                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-09-26 18:28                                 ` Michal Hocko
2011-09-27  1:03                                 ` David Rientjes
2011-09-27  7:52                                   ` Michal Hocko
2011-09-27 18:30                                     ` David Rientjes
2011-09-26 10:28                           ` Rusty Russell
2011-09-26 11:05                             ` Michal Hocko
2011-09-27  2:21                               ` Rusty Russell
2011-09-27  7:03                                 ` [PATCH] lguest: move process freezing before pending signals check Michal Hocko
2011-09-26  8:35                         ` [PATCH 2/2] oom: give bonus to frozen processes Michal Hocko
2011-09-26  9:02                           ` David Rientjes
2011-09-26  9:31                             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-09-26  9:54                               ` Michal Hocko
2011-08-26 21:03                     ` [PATCH] oom: skip frozen tasks Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-08-26 10:03                   ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2011-08-26 10:48                     ` Michal Hocko
2011-08-26 12:44                       ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2011-08-26 12:59                         ` Michal Hocko
2011-08-26  7:35               ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2011-08-26  9:09                 ` David Rientjes
2011-08-26  9:59                   ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2011-08-26 18:09                     ` David Rientjes
2011-08-25 21:03           ` Rafael J. Wysocki

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