From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>
To: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
Cc: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
Konstantin Khlebnikov <khlebnikov@openvz.org>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] oom: skip frozen tasks
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 10:56:10 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110826085610.GA9083@tiehlicka.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110826070946.GA7280@tiehlicka.suse.cz>
On Fri 26-08-11 09:09:46, Michal Hocko wrote:
> On Thu 25-08-11 14:14:20, David Rientjes wrote:
> > On Thu, 25 Aug 2011, Michal Hocko wrote:
> >
> > > > > > That's obviously false since we call oom_killer_disable() in
> > > > > > freeze_processes() to disable the oom killer from ever being called in the
> > > > > > first place, so this is something you need to resolve with Rafael before
> > > > > > you cause more machines to panic.
> > > > >
> > > > > I didn't mean suspend/resume path (that is protected by oom_killer_disabled)
> > > > > so the patch doesn't make any change.
> > > >
> > > > Confused... freeze_processes() does try_to_freeze_tasks() before
> > > > oom_killer_disable() ?
> > >
> > > Yes you are right, I must have been blind.
> > >
> > > Now I see the point. We do not want to panic while we are suspending and
> > > the memory is really low just because all the userspace is already in
> > > the the fridge.
> > > Sorry for confusion.
> > >
> > > I still do not follow the oom_killer_disable note from David, though.
> > >
> >
> > oom_killer_disable() was added to that path for a reason when all threads
> > are frozen: memory allocations still occur in the suspend path in an oom
> > condition and adding the oom_killer_disable() will cause those
> > allocations to fail rather than sending pointless SIGKILLs to frozen
> > threads.
> >
> > Now consider if the only _eligible_ threads for oom kill (because of
> > cpusets or mempolicies) are those that are frozen. We certainly do not
> > want to panic because other cpusets are still getting work done. We'd
> > either want to add a mem to the cpuset or thaw the processes because the
> > cpuset is oom.
>
> Sure.
>
> >
> > You can't just selectively skip certain threads when their state can be
> > temporary without risking a panic. That's why this patch is a
> > non-starter.
> >
> > A much better solution would be to lower the badness score that the oom
> > killer uses for PF_FROZEN threads so that they aren't considered a
> > priority for kill unless there's nothing else left to kill.
>
> Yes, sounds better.
.. but still not sufficient. We also have to thaw the process
as well. Just a quick hacked up patch (not tested, just for an
illustration).
Would something like this work?
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-08-26 8:56 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-08-23 8:31 [PATCH] oom: skip frozen tasks Konstantin Khlebnikov
2011-08-23 9:15 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-08-23 13:46 ` Michal Hocko
2011-08-23 20:18 ` David Rientjes
2011-08-24 10:19 ` Michal Hocko
2011-08-24 19:31 ` David Rientjes
2011-08-25 9:19 ` Michal Hocko
2011-08-25 15:18 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-08-25 16:47 ` Michal Hocko
2011-08-25 21:14 ` David Rientjes
2011-08-26 7:09 ` Michal Hocko
2011-08-26 8:56 ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2011-08-26 9:21 ` David Rientjes
2011-08-26 9:53 ` Michal Hocko
2011-08-26 11:01 ` Michal Hocko
2011-08-26 18:13 ` David Rientjes
2011-09-26 8:28 ` [PATCH 1/2] oom: do not live lock on " Michal Hocko
2011-09-26 8:56 ` David Rientjes
2011-09-26 9:14 ` Michal Hocko
2011-09-26 9:25 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-09-26 9:32 ` Michal Hocko
2011-09-26 15:51 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-09-26 18:28 ` Michal Hocko
2011-09-27 1:03 ` David Rientjes
2011-09-27 7:52 ` Michal Hocko
2011-09-27 18:30 ` David Rientjes
2011-09-26 10:28 ` Rusty Russell
2011-09-26 11:05 ` Michal Hocko
2011-09-27 2:21 ` Rusty Russell
2011-09-27 7:03 ` [PATCH] lguest: move process freezing before pending signals check Michal Hocko
2011-09-26 8:35 ` [PATCH 2/2] oom: give bonus to frozen processes Michal Hocko
2011-09-26 9:02 ` David Rientjes
2011-09-26 9:31 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-09-26 9:54 ` Michal Hocko
2011-08-26 21:03 ` [PATCH] oom: skip frozen tasks Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-08-26 10:03 ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2011-08-26 10:48 ` Michal Hocko
2011-08-26 12:44 ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2011-08-26 12:59 ` Michal Hocko
2011-08-26 7:35 ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2011-08-26 9:09 ` David Rientjes
2011-08-26 9:59 ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2011-08-26 18:09 ` David Rientjes
2011-08-25 21:03 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
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