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From: Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>
To: Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>
Cc: Colin Cross <ccross@android.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm: avoid livelock on !__GFP_FS allocations
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 12:29:40 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20111101122940.GC25123@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAOJsxLH54aUjVE3b7queQMOJP1kb+bxtUTAUA=T=N378M5_hJA@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 10:39:34PM +0300, Pekka Enberg wrote:
> Hi Mel,
> 
> On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de> wrote:
> > I see what you mean with GFP_NOIO but there is an important difference
> > between GFP_NOIO and suspend.  A GFP_NOIO low-order allocation currently
> > implies __GFP_NOFAIL as commented on in should_alloc_retry(). If no progress
> > is made, we call wait_iff_congested() and sleep for a bit. As the system
> > is running, kswapd and other process activity will proceed and eventually
> > reclaim enough pages for the GFP_NOIO allocation to succeed. In a running
> > system, GFP_NOIO can stall for a period of time but your patch will cause
> > the allocation to fail. While I expect callers return ENOMEM or handle
> > the situation properly with a wait-and-retry loop, there will be
> > operations that fail that used to succeed. This is why I'd prefer it was
> > a suspend-specific fix unless we know there is a case where a machine
> > livelocks due to a GFP_NOIO allocation looping forever and even then I'd
> > wonder why kswapd was not helping.
> 
> I'm not that happy about your patch because it's going to the
> direction where the page allocator is special-casing for suspension.

Suspend really is a special case. While I'd prefer to avoid special
casing it like this, I prefer it a *lot* more than failing GFP_NOIO
allocations that used to succeed.

-- 
Mel Gorman
SUSE Labs

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  reply	other threads:[~2011-11-01 12:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-10-25  6:39 [PATCH] mm: avoid livelock on !__GFP_FS allocations Colin Cross
2011-10-25  7:40 ` Pekka Enberg
2011-10-25  7:51   ` Colin Cross
2011-10-25  8:08     ` Pekka Enberg
2011-10-25 22:12     ` David Rientjes
2011-10-25  9:09 ` Mel Gorman
2011-10-25  9:26   ` Colin Cross
2011-10-25 11:23     ` Mel Gorman
2011-10-25 17:08       ` Colin Cross
2011-11-01 12:28         ` Mel Gorman
2011-10-25 19:39       ` Pekka Enberg
2011-11-01 12:29         ` Mel Gorman [this message]
2011-10-25 19:29   ` Colin Cross
2011-10-25 22:18   ` David Rientjes
2011-10-26  1:46     ` Colin Cross
2011-10-26  5:47       ` David Rientjes
2011-10-26  6:12         ` David Rientjes
2011-10-26  6:16           ` Colin Cross
2011-10-26  6:24             ` David Rientjes
2011-10-26  6:26               ` Colin Cross
2011-10-26  6:33                 ` David Rientjes
2011-10-26  6:36                   ` Colin Cross
2011-10-26  6:51                     ` David Rientjes
2011-10-26  6:57                       ` Colin Cross
2011-10-26  7:10                         ` David Rientjes
2011-10-26  7:22                           ` Colin Cross
2011-11-01 12:36                             ` Mel Gorman
2011-10-25 22:10 ` David Rientjes
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2011-11-14 14:04 Mel Gorman
2011-11-14 18:38 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-11-15 10:30   ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-14 23:03 ` Andrew Morton
2011-11-15 10:42   ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-15 15:43     ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-15 16:13 ` Minchan Kim
2011-11-15 17:36   ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-16  0:22     ` Minchan Kim
2011-11-16  0:28       ` Colin Cross
2011-11-16  0:45         ` Minchan Kim
2011-11-16  7:10           ` Pekka Enberg
2011-11-16 21:44             ` David Rientjes
2011-11-16 21:58               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-11-16 22:07               ` Minchan Kim
2011-11-16 22:48                 ` David Rientjes
2011-11-15 21:40 ` David Rientjes
2011-11-16  9:52   ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-16 21:39     ` David Rientjes

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