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From: Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>
To: Nai Xia <nai.xia@gmail.com>
Cc: Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>, Pawel Sikora <pluto@agmk.net>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, jpiszcz@lucidpixels.com, arekm@pld-linux.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mremap: enforce rmap src/dst vma ordering in case of vma_merge succeeding in copy_vma
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 13:14:13 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20111107131413.GA18279@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPQyPG5Y1e2dac38OLwZAinWb6xpPMWCya2vTaWLPi9+vp1JXQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Nov 05, 2011 at 10:00:52AM +0800, Nai Xia wrote:
> > <SNIP>
> > The only safe way to do it is to have _two_ different vmas, with two
> > different ->vm_pgoff. Then it will work. And by always creating a new
> > vma we'll always have it queued at the end, and it'll be safe for the
> > same reasons fork is safe.
> >
> > Always allocate a new vma, and then after the whole vma copy is
> > complete, look if we can merge and free some vma. After the fact, so
> > it means we can't use vma_merge anymore. vma_merge assumes the
> > new_range is "virtual" and no vma is mapped there I think. Anyway
> > that's an implementation issue. In some unlikely case we'll allocate 1
> > more vma than before, and we'll free it once mremap is finished, but
> > that's small problem compared to solving this once and for all.
> >
> > And that will fix it without ordering games and it'll fix the *vmap=
> > new_vma case too. That case really tripped on me as I was assuming
> > *that* was correct.
> 
> Yes. "Allocating a new vma, copy first and merge later " seems
> another solution without the tricky reordering. But you know,
> I now share some of Hugh's feeling that maybe we are too
> desperate using racing in places where locks are simpler
> and guaranteed to be safe.
> 

I'm tending to agree. The number of cases that must be kept in mind
is getting too tricky. Taking the anon_vma lock may be slower but at
the risk of sounding chicken, it's easier to understand.

> But I think Mel indicated that anon_vma_locking might be
> harmful to JVM SMP performance.
> How severe you expect this to be, Mel ?
> 

I would only expect it to be a problem during garbage collection when
there is a greater likelihood that mremap is heavily used. While it
would have been nice to avoid additional overhead in mremap, I don't
think the JVM GC case on its own is sufficient justification to avoid
taking the anon_vma lock.

-- 
Mel Gorman
SUSE Labs

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  reply	other threads:[~2011-11-07 13:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <201110122012.33767.pluto@agmk.net>
     [not found] ` <alpine.LSU.2.00.1110131547550.1346@sister.anvils>
2011-10-13 23:30   ` kernel 3.0: BUG: soft lockup: find_get_pages+0x51/0x110 Hugh Dickins
2011-10-16 16:11     ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-10-16 23:54     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-10-17 18:51       ` Hugh Dickins
2011-10-17 22:05         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-10-19  7:43         ` Mel Gorman
2011-10-19 13:39           ` Linus Torvalds
2011-10-19 19:42             ` Hugh Dickins
2011-10-20  6:30               ` Paweł Sikora
2011-10-20  6:51                 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-10-21  6:54                 ` Nai Xia
2011-10-21  7:35                   ` Pawel Sikora
2011-10-20 12:51               ` Nai Xia
2011-10-20 18:36                 ` Hugh Dickins
2011-10-21  6:22                   ` Nai Xia
2011-10-21  8:07                     ` Pawel Sikora
2011-10-21  9:07                       ` Nai Xia
2011-10-21 21:36                         ` Paweł Sikora
2011-10-22  6:21                           ` Nai Xia
2011-10-22 16:42                             ` Paweł Sikora
2011-10-20  9:11       ` Nai Xia
2011-10-21 15:56         ` Mel Gorman
2011-10-21 17:21           ` Nai Xia
2011-10-21 17:41           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-10-21 22:50             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-10-22  5:52               ` Nai Xia
2011-10-31 17:14                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-10-31 17:27                   ` [PATCH] mremap: enforce rmap src/dst vma ordering in case of vma_merge succeeding in copy_vma Andrea Arcangeli
2011-11-01 12:07                     ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-01 14:35                     ` Nai Xia
2011-11-04  7:31                     ` Hugh Dickins
2011-11-04 14:34                       ` Nai Xia
2011-11-04 15:59                         ` Pawel Sikora
2011-11-05  2:21                           ` Nai Xia
2011-11-04 19:16                         ` Hugh Dickins
2011-11-04 20:54                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-11-05  0:09                             ` Nai Xia
2011-11-05  2:21                               ` Hugh Dickins
2011-11-05  3:07                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-11-05 17:06                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-12-08  3:24                                   ` David Rientjes
2011-12-08 12:42                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-12-09  0:08                                   ` Andrew Morton
2011-12-09  1:55                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-11-04 23:56                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-11-05  0:21                         ` Nai Xia
2011-11-05  0:59                           ` Nai Xia
2011-11-05  1:33                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-11-05  2:00                             ` Nai Xia
2011-11-07 13:14                               ` Mel Gorman [this message]
2011-11-07 15:42                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-11-07 16:28                                   ` Mel Gorman
2011-11-09  1:25                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-11-11  9:14                                       ` Nai Xia
2011-11-16 14:00                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-11-17  0:16                                         ` Hugh Dickins
2011-11-17  2:49                                           ` Nai Xia
2011-11-17  6:21                                           ` Nai Xia
2011-11-17 18:42                                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-11-18  1:42                                             ` Nai Xia
2011-11-18  2:17                                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-11-19  9:15                                                 ` Nai Xia
2011-10-22  5:07             ` kernel 3.0: BUG: soft lockup: find_get_pages+0x51/0x110 Nai Xia
2011-10-31 16:34               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-10-16 22:37   ` Linus Torvalds
2011-10-17  3:02     ` Hugh Dickins
2011-10-17  3:09       ` Linus Torvalds

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