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From: Fengguang Wu <fengguang.wu@intel.com>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, Greg Thelen <gthelen@google.com>,
	Ying Han <yinghan@google.com>,
	"hannes@cmpxchg.org" <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>,
	Linux Memory Management List <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Adrian Hunter <ext-adrian.hunter@nokia.com>,
	Artem Bityutskiy <Artem.Bityutskiy@nokia.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 5/9] writeback: introduce the pageout work
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 21:55:58 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120303135558.GA9869@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120302115700.7d970497.akpm@linux-foundation.org>

On Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 11:57:00AM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Mar 2012 18:39:51 +0800
> Fengguang Wu <fengguang.wu@intel.com> wrote:
> 
> > > And I agree it's unlikely but given enough time and people, I
> > > believe someone finds a way to (inadvertedly) trigger this.
> > 
> > Right. The pageout works could add lots more iput() to the flusher
> > and turn some hidden statistical impossible bugs into real ones.
> > 
> > Fortunately the "flusher deadlocks itself" case is easy to detect and
> > prevent as illustrated in another email.
> 
> It would be a heck of a lot safer and saner to avoid the iput().  We
> know how to do this, so why not do it?

My concern about the page lock is, it costs more code and sounds like
hacking around something. It seems we (including me) have been trying
to shun away from the iput() problem. Since it's unlikely we are to
get rid of the already existing iput() calls from the flusher context,
why not face the problem, sort it out and use it with confident in new
code?

Let me try it now. The only scheme iput() can deadlock the flusher is
for the iput() path to come back to queue some work and wait for it.
Here are the exhaust list of the queue+wait paths:

writeback_inodes_sb_nr_if_idle
  ext4_nonda_switch
    ext4_page_mkwrite                   # from page fault
    ext4_da_write_begin                 # from user writes

writeback_inodes_sb_nr
  quotactl syscall                      # from syscall
  __sync_filesystem                     # from sync/umount
  shrink_liability                      # ubifs
    make_free_space
      ubifs_budget_space                # from all over ubifs:

   2    274  /c/linux/fs/ubifs/dir.c <<ubifs_create>>
   3    531  /c/linux/fs/ubifs/dir.c <<ubifs_link>>
   4    586  /c/linux/fs/ubifs/dir.c <<ubifs_unlink>>
   5    675  /c/linux/fs/ubifs/dir.c <<ubifs_rmdir>>
   6    731  /c/linux/fs/ubifs/dir.c <<ubifs_mkdir>>
   7    803  /c/linux/fs/ubifs/dir.c <<ubifs_mknod>>
   8    871  /c/linux/fs/ubifs/dir.c <<ubifs_symlink>>
   9   1006  /c/linux/fs/ubifs/dir.c <<ubifs_rename>>
  10   1009  /c/linux/fs/ubifs/dir.c <<ubifs_rename>>
  11    246  /c/linux/fs/ubifs/file.c <<write_begin_slow>>
  12    388  /c/linux/fs/ubifs/file.c <<allocate_budget>>
  13   1125  /c/linux/fs/ubifs/file.c <<do_truncation>>   <===== deadlockable
  14   1217  /c/linux/fs/ubifs/file.c <<do_setattr>>
  15   1381  /c/linux/fs/ubifs/file.c <<update_mctime>>
  16   1486  /c/linux/fs/ubifs/file.c <<ubifs_vm_page_mkwrite>>
  17    110  /c/linux/fs/ubifs/ioctl.c <<setflags>>
  19    122  /c/linux/fs/ubifs/xattr.c <<create_xattr>>
  20    201  /c/linux/fs/ubifs/xattr.c <<change_xattr>>
  21    494  /c/linux/fs/ubifs/xattr.c <<remove_xattr>>

It seems they are all safe except for ubifs. ubifs may actually
deadlock from the above do_truncation() caller. However it should be
fixable because the ubifs call for writeback_inodes_sb_nr() sounds
very brute force writeback and wait and there may well be better way
out.

CCing ubifs developers for possible thoughts..

Thanks,
Fengguang

PS. I'll be on travel in the following week and won't have much time
for replying emails. Sorry about that.

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  reply	other threads:[~2012-03-03 14:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-02-28 14:00 [PATCH 0/9] [RFC] pageout work and dirty reclaim throttling Fengguang Wu
2012-02-28 14:00 ` [PATCH 1/9] memcg: add page_cgroup flags for dirty page tracking Fengguang Wu
2012-02-29  0:50   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2012-03-04  1:29     ` Fengguang Wu
2012-02-28 14:00 ` [PATCH 2/9] memcg: add dirty page accounting infrastructure Fengguang Wu
2012-02-28 22:37   ` Andrew Morton
2012-02-29  0:27     ` Fengguang Wu
2012-02-28 14:00 ` [PATCH 3/9] memcg: add kernel calls for memcg dirty page stats Fengguang Wu
2012-02-29  1:10   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2012-02-28 14:00 ` [PATCH 4/9] memcg: dirty page accounting support routines Fengguang Wu
2012-02-28 15:15   ` Fengguang Wu
2012-02-28 22:45   ` Andrew Morton
2012-02-29  1:15     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2012-02-28 14:00 ` [PATCH 5/9] writeback: introduce the pageout work Fengguang Wu
2012-02-29  0:04   ` Andrew Morton
2012-02-29  2:31     ` Fengguang Wu
2012-02-29 13:28     ` Fengguang Wu
2012-03-01 11:04     ` Jan Kara
2012-03-01 11:41       ` Fengguang Wu
2012-03-01 16:50         ` Jan Kara
2012-03-01 19:46         ` Andrew Morton
2012-03-03 13:25           ` Fengguang Wu
2012-03-07  0:37             ` Andrew Morton
2012-03-07  5:40               ` Fengguang Wu
2012-03-01 19:42       ` Andrew Morton
2012-03-01 21:15         ` Jan Kara
2012-03-01 21:22           ` Andrew Morton
2012-03-01 12:36     ` Fengguang Wu
2012-03-01 16:38       ` Jan Kara
2012-03-02  4:48         ` Fengguang Wu
2012-03-02  9:59           ` Jan Kara
2012-03-02 10:39             ` Fengguang Wu
2012-03-02 19:57               ` Andrew Morton
2012-03-03 13:55                 ` Fengguang Wu [this message]
2012-03-03 14:27                   ` Fengguang Wu
2012-03-04 11:13                     ` Fengguang Wu
2012-03-07 15:48                   ` Artem Bityutskiy
2012-03-09  7:31                     ` Fengguang Wu
2012-03-09  9:51                       ` Jan Kara
2012-03-09 10:24                         ` Artem Bityutskiy
2012-03-09 16:10                         ` Artem Bityutskiy
2012-03-09 21:11                           ` Jan Kara
2012-03-12 12:36                             ` Artem Bityutskiy
2012-03-12 14:02                               ` Jan Kara
2012-03-12 14:21                                 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2012-03-09 10:15                   ` Jan Kara
2012-03-09 15:10                     ` Fengguang Wu
2012-02-29 13:51   ` [PATCH v2 " Fengguang Wu
2012-03-01 13:35     ` Fengguang Wu
2012-03-02  6:22       ` [PATCH v3 " Fengguang Wu
2012-02-28 14:00 ` [PATCH 6/9] vmscan: dirty reclaim throttling Fengguang Wu
2012-02-28 14:00 ` [PATCH 7/9] mm: pass __GFP_WRITE to memcg charge and reclaim routines Fengguang Wu
2012-02-28 14:00 ` [PATCH 8/9] mm: dont set __GFP_WRITE on ramfs/sysfs writes Fengguang Wu
2012-03-01 10:13   ` Johannes Weiner
2012-03-01 10:30     ` Fengguang Wu
2012-02-28 14:00 ` [PATCH 9/9] mm: debug vmscan waits Fengguang Wu
2012-03-02  6:59   ` [RFC PATCH] mm: don't treat anonymous pages as dirtyable pages Fengguang Wu
2012-03-02  7:18     ` Fengguang Wu

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