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From: Fengguang Wu <fengguang.wu@intel.com>
To: Artem Bityutskiy <dedekind1@gmail.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, Greg Thelen <gthelen@google.com>,
	Ying Han <yinghan@google.com>,
	"hannes@cmpxchg.org" <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>,
	Linux Memory Management List <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Adrian Hunter <adrian.hunter@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 5/9] writeback: introduce the pageout work
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 23:31:13 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120309073113.GA5337@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1331135301.32316.29.camel@sauron.fi.intel.com>

Artem,

On Wed, Mar 07, 2012 at 05:48:21PM +0200, Artem Bityutskiy wrote:
> On Sat, 2012-03-03 at 21:55 +0800, Fengguang Wu wrote:
> >   13   1125  /c/linux/fs/ubifs/file.c <<do_truncation>>   <===== deadlockable
> 
> Sorry, but could you please explain once again how the deadlock may
> happen?

Sorry I confused ubifs do_truncation() with the truncate_inode_pages()
that may be called from iput().

The once suspected deadlock scheme is when the flusher thread calls
the final iput:

        flusher thread
          iput_final
            <some ubifs function>
              ubifs_budget_space
                shrink_liability
                  writeback_inodes_sb
                    writeback_inodes_sb_nr
                      bdi_queue_work
                      wait_for_completion  => end up waiting for the flusher itself

However I cannot find any ubifs functions to form the above loop, so
ubifs should be safe for now.

> > It seems they are all safe except for ubifs. ubifs may actually
> > deadlock from the above do_truncation() caller. However it should be
> > fixable because the ubifs call for writeback_inodes_sb_nr() sounds
> > very brute force writeback and wait and there may well be better way
> > out.
> 
> I do not think this "fixable" - this is part of UBIFS design to force
> write-back when we are not sure we have enough space.
> 
> The problem is that we do not know how much space the dirty data in RAM
> will take on the flash media (after it is actually written-back) - e.g.,
> because we compress all the data (UBIFS performs on-the-flight
> compression). So we do pessimistic assumptions and allow dirtying more
> and more data as long as we know for sure that there is enough flash
> space on the media for the worst-case scenario (data are not
> compressible). This is what the UBIFS budgeting subsystem does.
> 
> Once the budgeting sub-system sees that we are not going to have enough
> flash space for the worst-case scenario, it starts forcing write-back to
> push some dirty data out to the flash media and update the budgeting
> numbers, and get more realistic picture.
> 
> So basically, before you can change _anything_ on UBIFS file-system, you
> need to budget for the space. Even when you truncate - because
> truncation is also about allocating more space for writing the updated
> inode and update the FS index. (Remember, all writes are out-of-place in
> UBIFS because we work with raw flash, not a block device).

Thanks for the detailed explanations!

Judging from the git log, ubifs starts with flushing NR_TO_WRITE=16
pages at one time commit 2acf80675800d ("UBIFS: simplify
make_free_space") and is later changed to flushing *the whole*
superblock by a writeback change ("writeback: get rid of
generic_sync_sb_inodes() export"). This could greatly increase the
wait time. I'd suggest to limit the write chunk size to about 125ms
as the below change:

--- linux.orig/fs/ubifs/budget.c	2012-03-08 23:16:01.661194026 -0800
+++ linux/fs/ubifs/budget.c	2012-03-08 23:16:02.477194003 -0800
@@ -63,7 +63,9 @@
 static void shrink_liability(struct ubifs_info *c, int nr_to_write)
 {
 	down_read(&c->vfs_sb->s_umount);
-	writeback_inodes_sb(c->vfs_sb, WB_REASON_FS_FREE_SPACE);
+	writeback_inodes_sb_nr(c->vfs_sb,
+			       c->bdi.avg_write_bandwidth / 8 + nr_to_write,
+			       WB_REASON_FS_FREE_SPACE);
 	up_read(&c->vfs_sb->s_umount);
 }
 
Here nr_to_write=16 merely serves as some minimal safeguard in case
bdi.avg_write_bandwidth drops to 0. Perhaps we can eliminate the
parameter and use the constant number directly.

Thanks,
Fengguang

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  reply	other threads:[~2012-03-09  7:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-02-28 14:00 [PATCH 0/9] [RFC] pageout work and dirty reclaim throttling Fengguang Wu
2012-02-28 14:00 ` [PATCH 1/9] memcg: add page_cgroup flags for dirty page tracking Fengguang Wu
2012-02-29  0:50   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2012-03-04  1:29     ` Fengguang Wu
2012-02-28 14:00 ` [PATCH 2/9] memcg: add dirty page accounting infrastructure Fengguang Wu
2012-02-28 22:37   ` Andrew Morton
2012-02-29  0:27     ` Fengguang Wu
2012-02-28 14:00 ` [PATCH 3/9] memcg: add kernel calls for memcg dirty page stats Fengguang Wu
2012-02-29  1:10   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2012-02-28 14:00 ` [PATCH 4/9] memcg: dirty page accounting support routines Fengguang Wu
2012-02-28 15:15   ` Fengguang Wu
2012-02-28 22:45   ` Andrew Morton
2012-02-29  1:15     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2012-02-28 14:00 ` [PATCH 5/9] writeback: introduce the pageout work Fengguang Wu
2012-02-29  0:04   ` Andrew Morton
2012-02-29  2:31     ` Fengguang Wu
2012-02-29 13:28     ` Fengguang Wu
2012-03-01 11:04     ` Jan Kara
2012-03-01 11:41       ` Fengguang Wu
2012-03-01 16:50         ` Jan Kara
2012-03-01 19:46         ` Andrew Morton
2012-03-03 13:25           ` Fengguang Wu
2012-03-07  0:37             ` Andrew Morton
2012-03-07  5:40               ` Fengguang Wu
2012-03-01 19:42       ` Andrew Morton
2012-03-01 21:15         ` Jan Kara
2012-03-01 21:22           ` Andrew Morton
2012-03-01 12:36     ` Fengguang Wu
2012-03-01 16:38       ` Jan Kara
2012-03-02  4:48         ` Fengguang Wu
2012-03-02  9:59           ` Jan Kara
2012-03-02 10:39             ` Fengguang Wu
2012-03-02 19:57               ` Andrew Morton
2012-03-03 13:55                 ` Fengguang Wu
2012-03-03 14:27                   ` Fengguang Wu
2012-03-04 11:13                     ` Fengguang Wu
2012-03-07 15:48                   ` Artem Bityutskiy
2012-03-09  7:31                     ` Fengguang Wu [this message]
2012-03-09  9:51                       ` Jan Kara
2012-03-09 10:24                         ` Artem Bityutskiy
2012-03-09 16:10                         ` Artem Bityutskiy
2012-03-09 21:11                           ` Jan Kara
2012-03-12 12:36                             ` Artem Bityutskiy
2012-03-12 14:02                               ` Jan Kara
2012-03-12 14:21                                 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2012-03-09 10:15                   ` Jan Kara
2012-03-09 15:10                     ` Fengguang Wu
2012-02-29 13:51   ` [PATCH v2 " Fengguang Wu
2012-03-01 13:35     ` Fengguang Wu
2012-03-02  6:22       ` [PATCH v3 " Fengguang Wu
2012-02-28 14:00 ` [PATCH 6/9] vmscan: dirty reclaim throttling Fengguang Wu
2012-02-28 14:00 ` [PATCH 7/9] mm: pass __GFP_WRITE to memcg charge and reclaim routines Fengguang Wu
2012-02-28 14:00 ` [PATCH 8/9] mm: dont set __GFP_WRITE on ramfs/sysfs writes Fengguang Wu
2012-03-01 10:13   ` Johannes Weiner
2012-03-01 10:30     ` Fengguang Wu
2012-02-28 14:00 ` [PATCH 9/9] mm: debug vmscan waits Fengguang Wu
2012-03-02  6:59   ` [RFC PATCH] mm: don't treat anonymous pages as dirtyable pages Fengguang Wu
2012-03-02  7:18     ` Fengguang Wu

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