From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>,
Suresh Siddha <suresh.b.siddha@intel.com>,
Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>,
"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Lai Jiangshan <laijs@cn.fujitsu.com>,
Dan Smith <danms@us.ibm.com>,
Bharata B Rao <bharata.rao@gmail.com>,
Lee Schermerhorn <Lee.Schermerhorn@hp.com>,
Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 00/26] sched/numa
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 08:31:47 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120320073147.GA27213@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFwa-81x2Dysk8WS8ez2WkYSbaQDyQvpH0qE7fGJgxTbUQ@mail.gmail.com>
* Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org> wrote:
> >
> > That having said PeterZ's numbers showed some pretty good
> > improvement for the streams workload:
> >
> > before: 512.8M
> > after: 615.7M
> >
> > i.e. a +20% improvement on a not very heavily NUMA box.
>
> Well, streams really isn't a very interesting benchmark. It's
> the traditional single-threaded cpu-only thing that just
> accesses things linearly, and I'm not convinced the numbers
> should be taken to mean anything at all.
Yeah, I considered it the 'ideal improvement' for memory-bound,
private-working-set workloads on commodity hardware - i.e. the
upper envelope of anything that might matter. We don't know the
worst-case regression percentage, nor the median improvement -
which might very well be a negative number.
More fundamentally we don't even know whether such access
patterns matter at all.
> The HPC people want to multi-thread things these days, and
> "cpu/memory affinity" is a lot less clear then.
>
> So I can easily imagine that the performance improvement is
> real, but I really don't think "streams improves by X %" is
> all that interesting. Are there any more relevant loads that
> actually matter to people that we could show improvement on?
That would be interesting to see.
I could queue this up in a topical branch in a pure opt-in
fashion, to make it easier to test.
Assuming there will be real improvements on real workloads, do
you have any fundamental objections against the 'home node'
concept itself and its placement into mm_struct? I think it
makes sense and mm_struct is the most logical place to host it.
The rest looks rather non-controversial to me, apps that want
more memory affinity should get it and both the VM and the
scheduler should help achieve that goal, within memory and CPU
allocation constraints.
Thanks,
Ingo
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Thread overview: 152+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-03-16 14:40 [RFC][PATCH 00/26] sched/numa Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 01/26] mm, mpol: Re-implement check_*_range() using walk_page_range() Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 02/26] mm, mpol: Remove NUMA_INTERLEAVE_HIT Peter Zijlstra
2012-07-06 10:32 ` Johannes Weiner
2012-07-06 14:48 ` Minchan Kim
2012-07-06 15:02 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-07-06 14:54 ` Kyungmin Park
2012-07-06 15:00 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 03/26] mm, mpol: add MPOL_MF_LAZY Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-23 11:50 ` Mel Gorman
2012-07-06 16:38 ` Rik van Riel
2012-07-06 20:04 ` Lee Schermerhorn
2012-07-06 20:27 ` Rik van Riel
2012-07-09 11:48 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 04/26] mm, mpol: add MPOL_MF_NOOP Peter Zijlstra
2012-07-06 18:40 ` Rik van Riel
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 05/26] mm, mpol: Check for misplaced page Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 06/26] mm: Migrate " Peter Zijlstra
2012-04-03 17:32 ` Dan Smith
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 07/26] mm: Handle misplaced anon pages Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 08/26] mm, mpol: Simplify do_mbind() Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 09/26] sched, mm: Introduce tsk_home_node() Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 10/26] mm, mpol: Make mempolicy home-node aware Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 18:34 ` Christoph Lameter
2012-03-16 21:12 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-19 13:53 ` Christoph Lameter
2012-03-19 14:05 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-19 15:16 ` Christoph Lameter
2012-03-19 15:23 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-19 15:31 ` Christoph Lameter
2012-03-19 17:09 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-19 17:28 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-19 19:06 ` Christoph Lameter
2012-03-19 20:28 ` Lee Schermerhorn
2012-03-19 21:21 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 11/26] mm, mpol: Lazy migrate a process/vma Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 12/26] sched, mm: sched_{fork,exec} node assignment Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-15 18:16 ` Tony Luck
2012-06-20 19:12 ` [PATCH] sched: Fix build problems when CONFIG_NUMA=y and CONFIG_SMP=n Luck, Tony
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 13/26] sched: Implement home-node awareness Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 14/26] sched, numa: Numa balancer Peter Zijlstra
2012-07-07 18:26 ` Rik van Riel
2012-07-09 12:05 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-07-09 12:23 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-07-09 12:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-07-09 14:50 ` Rik van Riel
2012-07-08 18:35 ` Rik van Riel
2012-07-09 12:25 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-07-09 14:54 ` Rik van Riel
2012-07-12 22:02 ` Rik van Riel
2012-07-13 14:45 ` Don Morris
2012-07-14 16:20 ` Rik van Riel
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 15/26] sched, numa: Implement hotplug hooks Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-19 12:16 ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-03-19 12:19 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-19 12:27 ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 16/26] sched, numa: Abstract the numa_entity Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 17/26] srcu: revert1 Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 18/26] srcu: revert2 Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 19/26] srcu: Implement call_srcu() Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 20/26] mm, mpol: Introduce vma_dup_policy() Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 21/26] mm, mpol: Introduce vma_put_policy() Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 22/26] mm, mpol: Split and explose some mempolicy functions Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 23/26] sched, numa: Introduce sys_numa_{t,m}bind() Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 24/26] mm, mpol: Implement numa_group RSS accounting Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 25/26] sched, numa: Only migrate long-running entities Peter Zijlstra
2012-07-08 18:34 ` Rik van Riel
2012-07-09 12:26 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-07-09 14:53 ` Rik van Riel
2012-07-09 14:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 14:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 26/26] sched, numa: A few debug bits Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-16 18:25 ` [RFC] AutoNUMA alpha6 Andrea Arcangeli
2012-03-19 18:47 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-19 19:02 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-03-20 23:41 ` Dan Smith
2012-03-21 1:00 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-03-21 2:12 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-03-21 4:01 ` Dan Smith
2012-03-21 12:49 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-03-21 22:05 ` Dan Smith
2012-03-21 22:52 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-03-21 23:13 ` Dan Smith
2012-03-21 23:41 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-03-22 0:17 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-03-22 13:58 ` Dan Smith
2012-03-22 14:27 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-03-22 18:49 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-03-22 18:56 ` Dan Smith
2012-03-22 19:11 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-03-23 14:15 ` Andrew Theurer
2012-03-23 16:01 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-03-25 13:30 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-03-21 7:12 ` Ingo Molnar
2012-03-21 12:08 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-03-21 7:53 ` Ingo Molnar
2012-03-21 12:17 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-03-19 9:57 ` [RFC][PATCH 00/26] sched/numa Avi Kivity
2012-03-19 11:12 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-19 11:30 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-19 11:39 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-19 11:42 ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-19 11:59 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-19 12:07 ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-19 12:09 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-19 12:16 ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-19 20:03 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-20 10:18 ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-20 10:48 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-20 10:52 ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-20 11:07 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-20 11:48 ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-19 12:20 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-19 12:24 ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-19 15:44 ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-19 13:40 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-03-19 20:06 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-19 13:04 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-03-19 13:26 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-19 13:57 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-03-19 14:06 ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-19 14:30 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-03-19 18:42 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-20 22:18 ` Rik van Riel
2012-03-21 16:50 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-04-02 16:34 ` Pekka Enberg
2012-04-02 16:55 ` Rik van Riel
2012-04-02 16:54 ` Pekka Enberg
2012-04-02 17:12 ` Pekka Enberg
2012-04-02 17:23 ` Pekka Enberg
2012-03-19 14:07 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-19 14:34 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-03-19 18:41 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-19 19:13 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-19 14:07 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-03-19 19:05 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-19 13:26 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-19 14:16 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-03-19 13:29 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-19 14:19 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-03-19 13:39 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-19 14:20 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-03-19 20:17 ` Christoph Lameter
2012-03-19 20:28 ` Ingo Molnar
2012-03-19 20:43 ` Christoph Lameter
2012-03-19 21:34 ` Ingo Molnar
2012-03-20 0:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-03-20 7:31 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2012-03-21 22:53 ` Nish Aravamudan
2012-03-22 9:45 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-22 10:34 ` Ingo Molnar
2012-03-24 1:41 ` Nish Aravamudan
2012-03-26 11:42 ` Peter Zijlstra
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