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From: Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>
To: Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>
Cc: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux-foundation.org>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	tglx@linutronix.de, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>
Subject: Re: Allow migration of mlocked page?
Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 14:39:45 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120514133944.GF29102@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4FB08920.4010001@kernel.org>

On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 01:25:04PM +0900, Minchan Kim wrote:
> > <SNIP>
> >
> > If CMA decide they want to alter mlocked pages in this way, it's sortof
> > ok. While CMA is being used, there are no expectations on the RT
> > behaviour of the system - stalls are expected. In their use cases, CMA
> > failing is far worse than access latency to an mlocked page being
> > variable while CMA is running.
> > 
> > Compaction on the other hand is during the normal operation of the
> > machine. There are applications that assume that if anonymous memory
> > is mlocked() then access to it is close to zero latency. They are
> > not RT-critical processes (or they would disable THP) but depend on
> > this. Allowing compaction to migrate mlocked() pages will result in bugs
> > being reported by these people.
> > 
> > I've received one bug this year about access latency to mlocked() regions but
> > it turned out to be a file-backed region and related to when the write-fault
> > is incurred. The ultimate fix was in the application but we'll get new bug
> > reports if anonymous mlocked pages do not preserve the current guarantees
> > on access latency.
> > 
> 
> If so, what do you think about migration of mlocked pages by migrate_pages, cpuset_migrate_mm and memcg?

migrate_pages() is a core function used by a variety of different callers. It
*optionally* could move mlocked pages and it would be up to the caller to
specify if that was allowed.

cpuset_migrate_mm() should be allowed to move mlocked() pages because it's
called in a path where the pages are on a node that should not longer be
accessible to the processes. In this case, the latency hit is unavoidable
and a bug reporter that says "there is an unexpected latency accessing memory
while a process moves memory to another node" will be told to get a clue.

Where does memcg call migrate_pages()?

> I think they all is done by under user's control while compaction happens regardless of user.
> So do you think that's why compaction shouldn't migrate mlocked page?
> 

Yes. If the user takes an explicit action that causes latencies when
accessing an mlocked anonymous region while the pages are migrated, that's
fine. I still do not think that THP and khugepaged should cause unexpected
latencies accessing mlocked anonymous regions because it is beyond the
control of the application.

-- 
Mel Gorman
SUSE Labs

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  reply	other threads:[~2012-05-14 13:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-05-11  4:37 Allow migration of mlocked page? Minchan Kim
2012-05-11  9:20 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-11 16:20   ` Christoph Lameter
2012-05-11 23:24     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-05-14 13:45       ` Christoph Lameter
2012-05-14  4:13   ` Minchan Kim
2012-05-14  6:56     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-14  7:37       ` Minchan Kim
2012-05-14  7:45         ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-14  7:49           ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-14  7:54             ` Minchan Kim
2012-05-14 13:47         ` Christoph Lameter
2012-05-15  1:23           ` Minchan Kim
2012-05-15 11:07             ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-11 13:14 ` Mel Gorman
2012-05-11 23:25   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-05-14 13:32     ` Mel Gorman
2012-05-14 13:51       ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-14 14:01         ` Christoph Lameter
2012-05-14 14:14           ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-14 14:43             ` Christoph Lameter
2012-05-14 22:52               ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-05-14 23:04             ` Roland Dreier
2012-05-15 14:27               ` Christoph Lameter
2012-05-15  1:38           ` Minchan Kim
2012-05-14 14:08         ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-14 23:06       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-05-15  1:35       ` Minchan Kim
2012-05-14  4:25   ` Minchan Kim
2012-05-14 13:39     ` Mel Gorman [this message]
2012-05-15  2:15       ` Minchan Kim
2012-05-15  4:33         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-05-15 11:06           ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-15 14:12             ` Christoph Lameter
2012-05-15 14:45               ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-15 15:11                 ` Christoph Lameter
2012-05-15 14:10           ` Christoph Lameter
2012-05-15 14:09         ` Christoph Lameter

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