From: Fengguang Wu <fengguang.wu@intel.com>
To: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
Cc: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujtisu.com>,
Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>, Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>,
Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, Ying Han <yinghan@google.com>,
Greg Thelen <gthelen@google.com>, Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC -mm] memcg: prevent from OOM with too many dirty pages
Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 18:21:46 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120529102146.GA11653@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120529093511.GE1734@cmpxchg.org>
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 11:35:11AM +0200, Johannes Weiner wrote:
> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 04:48:48PM +0800, Fengguang Wu wrote:
> > On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 09:28:53AM +0200, Johannes Weiner wrote:
> > > On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 11:08:57AM +0800, Fengguang Wu wrote:
> > > > Hi Michal,
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 05:38:55PM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > > > > Current implementation of dirty pages throttling is not memcg aware which makes
> > > > > it easy to have LRUs full of dirty pages which might lead to memcg OOM if the
> > > > > hard limit is small and so the lists are scanned faster than pages written
> > > > > back.
> > > > >
> > > > > This patch fixes the problem by throttling the allocating process (possibly
> > > > > a writer) during the hard limit reclaim by waiting on PageReclaim pages.
> > > > > We are waiting only for PageReclaim pages because those are the pages
> > > > > that made one full round over LRU and that means that the writeback is much
> > > > > slower than scanning.
> > > > > The solution is far from being ideal - long term solution is memcg aware
> > > > > dirty throttling - but it is meant to be a band aid until we have a real
> > > > > fix.
> > > >
> > > > IMHO it's still an important "band aid" -- perhaps worthwhile for
> > > > sending to Greg's stable trees. Because it fixes a really important
> > > > use case: it enables the users to put backups into a small memcg.
> > > >
> > > > The users visible changes are:
> > > >
> > > > the backup program get OOM killed
> > > > =>
> > > > it runs now, although being a bit slow and bumpy
> > >
> > > The problem is workloads that /don't/ have excessive dirty pages, but
> > > instantiate clean page cache at a much faster rate than writeback can
> > > clean the few dirties. The dirty/writeback pages reach the end of the
> > > lru several times while there are always easily reclaimable pages
> > > around.
> >
> > Good point!
> >
> > > This was the rationale for introducing the backoff function that
> > > considers the dirty page percentage of all pages looked at (bottom of
> > > shrink_active_list) and removing all other sleeps that didn't look at
> > > the bigger picture and made problems. I'd hate for them to come back.
> > >
> > > On the other hand, is there a chance to make this backoff function
> > > work for memcgs? Right now it only applies to the global case to not
> > > mark a whole zone congested because of some dirty pages on a single
> > > memcg LRU. But maybe it can work by considering congestion on a
> > > per-lruvec basis rather than per-zone?
> >
> > Johannes, would you paste the backoff code? Sorry I'm not sure about
> > the exact logic you are talking.
>
> Sure, it's this guy here:
Yeah I knew this code, but it's in shrink_inactive_list() ;)
> /*
> * If reclaim is isolating dirty pages under writeback, it implies
> * that the long-lived page allocation rate is exceeding the page
> * laundering rate. Either the global limits are not being effective
> * at throttling processes due to the page distribution throughout
> * zones or there is heavy usage of a slow backing device. The
> * only option is to throttle from reclaim context which is not ideal
> * as there is no guarantee the dirtying process is throttled in the
> * same way balance_dirty_pages() manages.
> *
> * This scales the number of dirty pages that must be under writeback
> * before throttling depending on priority. It is a simple backoff
> * function that has the most effect in the range DEF_PRIORITY to
> * DEF_PRIORITY-2 which is the priority reclaim is considered to be
> * in trouble and reclaim is considered to be in trouble.
> *
> * DEF_PRIORITY 100% isolated pages must be PageWriteback to throttle
> * DEF_PRIORITY-1 50% must be PageWriteback
> * DEF_PRIORITY-2 25% must be PageWriteback, kswapd in trouble
> * ...
> * DEF_PRIORITY-6 For SWAP_CLUSTER_MAX isolated pages, throttle if any
> * isolated page is PageWriteback
> */
> if (nr_writeback && nr_writeback >= (nr_taken >> (DEF_PRIORITY-priority)))
> wait_iff_congested(zone, BLK_RW_ASYNC, HZ/10);
>
> But the problem is the part declaring the zone congested:
>
> /*
> * Tag a zone as congested if all the dirty pages encountered were
> * backed by a congested BDI. In this case, reclaimers should just
> * back off and wait for congestion to clear because further reclaim
> * will encounter the same problem
> */
> if (nr_dirty && nr_dirty == nr_congested && global_reclaim(sc))
> zone_set_flag(mz->zone, ZONE_CONGESTED);
>
> Note the global_reclaim(). It would be nice to have these two operate
> against the lruvec of sc->target_mem_cgroup and mz->zone instead. The
> problem is that ZONE_CONGESTED clearing happens in kswapd alone, which
> is not necessarily involved in a memcg-constrained load, so we need to
> find clearing sites that work for both global and memcg reclaim.
The problem of the above backoff logic is, both the conditions
> if (nr_writeback && nr_writeback >= (nr_taken >> (DEF_PRIORITY-priority)))
and
> if (nr_dirty && nr_dirty == nr_congested && global_reclaim(sc))
are based on local nr_writeback/nr_dirty values. "local" means inside
one SWAP_CLUSTER_MAX=32 batch. So if there is a continuous run of 32
dirty/writeback pages in the LRU, which is a common case even if there
are less than 20% dirty pages, the above conditions could accidentally
evaluate to true.
So in long term, we may consider the opposite way: to replace it with
the (PageReclaim && priority < X) test where the priority test is more
global wise.
For now, "priority" is not very stable. I often observe it being
knocked down to small values (eg. 5) due to the uneven distribution of
dirty pages over the LRU. But once we put dirty pages to a standalone
LRU list, "priority" will no longer come up and down that often, being
easily affected by the distribution of dirty pages.
> > As for this patch, can it be improved by adding some test like
> > (priority < DEF_PRIORITY/2)? That should reasonably filter out the
> > "fast read rotating dirty pages fast" situation and still avoid OOM
> > for "heavy write inside small memcg".
>
> I think we tried these thresholds for global sync reclaim, too, but
> couldn't find the right value. IIRC, we tried to strike a balance
> between excessive stalls and wasting CPU, but obviously the CPU
> wasting is not a concern because that is completely uninhibited right
> now for memcg reclaim. So it may be an improvement if I didn't miss
> anything. Maybe Mel remembers more?
>
> It'd still be preferrable to keep the differences between memcg and
> global reclaim at a minimum, though, and extend the dirty throttling
> we already have.
Yeah we'll be introducing yet another magic value... Here we make
things simple by limiting the goal to avoid OOM in small memcg and
ignore other CPU/stall issues. For this target, it seems good to
choose a very low priority. For example, (priority < 3), which means
we've scanned 1/(2^2) = 25% dirty/writeback pages, which is slightly
larger than the 20% global dirty limit.
Thanks,
Fengguang
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Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-05-28 15:38 [RFC -mm] memcg: prevent from OOM with too many dirty pages Michal Hocko
2012-05-29 3:08 ` Fengguang Wu
2012-05-29 7:28 ` Johannes Weiner
2012-05-29 8:48 ` Fengguang Wu
2012-05-29 9:35 ` Johannes Weiner
2012-05-29 10:21 ` Fengguang Wu [this message]
2012-05-29 13:32 ` Mel Gorman
2012-05-29 13:51 ` Michal Hocko
2012-05-31 9:09 ` Michal Hocko
2012-06-01 8:37 ` Michal Hocko
2012-06-07 14:45 ` Michal Hocko
2012-06-14 7:27 ` Johannes Weiner
2012-06-14 10:13 ` Michal Hocko
2012-05-31 15:18 ` Fengguang Wu
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2012-06-01 1:33 ` Fengguang Wu
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